When do you move from a doing role to a coaching role if you eventually want to coach other creatives but you are still growing your still? We’re sharing our tips—as creative and business coaches ourselves—for other creatives who are aspiring to coach as well.
Emily Thompson 0:02
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Kathleen Shannon 1:19
Alright, Caitlin, what do you have for us today?
Caitlin Brehm 1:22
This question comes from one of our recent live Hangouts. So all the bosses out there who have questions, make sure you're on our list. So you know when these hangouts are. And if we don't ask your question live in the Hangout, maybe it'll be a minisode. So here it is. This is from Lacey. She says, ladies, I recently quit the nine to five professional background in branding and marketing. And I have been painting for about seven years making private sales. As a full time creative entrepreneur, I now have people seeking my advice on how they can make money off of their art to, I would love to position myself as a coach to other creatives. But I'm still growing my art brand and struggling with getting to the point where I'm considered a credible successful artist that has the right to coach others. Should I focus on positioning myself as a successful artist first, before I jump into the world of coaching?
Emily Thompson 2:14
Ooh, Kathleen, how about this one, I know exactly what you're going to say. Now you need to say it
Kathleen Shannon 2:20
was all surprised. I surprise you sometimes, Emily, I do. I can't wait. I do think that you need to establish yourself as an expert in your field, you need to get to the point where you have the confidence to coach people, even if they're just two steps behind you, before you start coaching them. If you're not confident going into these engagements, it's going to what's the best word for this, it's going to show up in the coaching itself and you're not going to feel good about it. So I think one continue growing this credible art brand yourself. I don't necessarily mean that means making a bunch of sales, I think it just means showing up with a polished presence. It means showing up and doing the work yourself every single day, and really figuring out what works because if you don't know what works for you, how are you going to coach other people along the way? Right? I think that you can be doing really both at the same time, though. And I think that by sharing how to content alongside with posting images of your artwork and selling your art will start to set you up for both a career in art and a career in coaching. So that's kind of how is that what you thought I was gonna say,
Emily Thompson 3:32
No, no, it's not
Kathleen Shannon 3:34
what did you think I was gonna say?
Emily Thompson 3:36
What I thought you were going to say is that you only have to be one step ahead of the person that you're helping, you don't have to be five steps or eight steps or 20 steps, you just have to be one step ahead. So even though you do not have this, you know, big powerful coaching business doesn't mean that you can't help the person one step behind you get up to where you are now. And I think that's that's a point that I find a lot of people needing advice around, where or even think about the first time I ever did a website for someone else. I had only done a website for myself. And I everyone's has to start somewhere. So from that, like just take, you only have to be one step ahead of the person that you're helping to be very helpful for them.
Kathleen Shannon 4:24
Okay, I agree with this, but I think whenever it gets, okay, so Lacey is wanting to be paid to be a coach teaching other artists how to make a living being an artist, right?
Emily Thompson 4:36
Yes,
Kathleen Shannon 4:36
but if she is not yet making a living being an artist, I'm just my worry here is that she's not going to have the confidence to actually coach the person who's just one step behind her. I think she needs to take a little bit of time to do it herself. And I think that coaching other people one step behind her can show up in the format form of a blog or a YouTube channel or however she might create content to Prove that even if she is only one step ahead that she is one step ahead. Does that make sense like that you can kind of start practicing coaching and establishing yourself as a coach and as successful artists, at the same time through creating the work and sharing the content, and then you get paid for it.
Emily Thompson 5:20
I mean, definitely, I'm not saying that once I've had means you make bank, the person was that behind you by any means. But I think I think that can be an important, it's an important thing to think about whenever you're considering helping or giving advice to others paid or unpaid.
Kathleen Shannon 5:36
And I think that part of my hesitation here is, is that the coaching industry has grown a lot, a lot A lot. And I know that all of our boss listeners are credible and amazing and totally legit. But there is some shady goings on happening in the coaching world where I feel like and this could just be my own insecurity shining here, or not my own insecurity, but kind of what I'm seeing, or what I'm scared that I'm seeing out there is a bunch of people coaching, and coaching and like all the coaching, it's just the world I'm surrounded with who's actually doing the work? Who's actually making the art or designing the websites or designing the logos or painting the walls? Or do you know what I mean? I'm just seeing a lot of people going down the path of coaching. And I think that it's going to be a bubble that bursts on itself if if there's not a little more showing up and doing the work. But that's not for you Lacey, necessarily, that's just the thought that's bubbling up in general for me.
Emily Thompson 6:39
we want to turn that into a whole and do a whole episode episode in the future.
Kathleen Shannon 6:45
I know like a whole episode of like, what's with the future of coaching and I think that coaching is a really coaching and consulting as a great path to take. whenever it comes to being a creative entrepreneur, I think that really helps you become a master of your own skill and your own. I don't know life or whatever it is that you have to teach, like going from doing to teaching is really just next level stuff. But I think that there's a lot of people trying to go from I don't know learning to teaching, they're missing that in between step of doing I think there needs to just be a lot more doing right now in the world a lot more making.
Emily Thompson 7:23
I agree. So then Lacey, tie this up in a bow for you keep doing the work, and lend the advice were asked. And I do like the idea of doing some social media things or just giving small nuggets of advice until you build up your repertoire in a way that allows you to really position yourself as a as an artist who's making a killer living, doing what you love.
Kathleen Shannon 7:55
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Emily Thompson 9:34
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