Episode 198

Tarot, Spiritual Baths, & Creative Business with Tatianna Tarot

October 16, 2018

You know we can’t stay away from the Tarot for too long, so today we are so excited to be joined by Tatianna Morales of Tatianna Tarot who is talking with us all about her journey and approach to Tarot, creating a ritual bath, being a spiritual creative business owner, and incorporating magic and ritual into motherhood.


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"We're so accustomed to overanalyzing and over-rationalizing that it's important for us to move out of the way, tap into that sense of feeling, and allow yourself to tell a story."
- Tatianna Morales

Discussed in this Episode

  • Tatianna's work and journey to creative entrepreneurship
  • Tatianna's style of teaching and reading the Tarot
  • Prepping for a Tarot reading
  • Tatianna's ritual work
  • Creating a spiritual or magical bath
  • How to approach invoking deities and energies
  • Using Tarot to navigate work and life decisions
  • Lessons in building a creative or spiritual business
  • Bringing magic and ritual into motherhood
  • Tatianna's go-to tools and talismans

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Emily Thompson 0:02
Hello and welcome to being boss, a podcast for creative entrepreneurs. I'm Emily Thompson.

Tatianna Tarot 0:08
And I'm Kathleen Shannon. I'm Tatyana mirallas and I am being boss.

Emily Thompson 0:18
In this episode of being boss, we're talking about Tarot, spiritual Bad's and creative business with Tatyana Taro. As always, you can find all the tools, books and links we reference on the show notes at WWW dot v boss dot club.

Kathleen Shannon 0:37
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Emily Thompson 1:57
Tatyana Taro is an intuitive Tarot therapist and a ritual practitioner, medium spiritual consultant teacher and energetic healer. based in New Orleans, she has over 20 years of experience as an intuitive tarot reader and continues to provide the service as a means of alternative therapy to aid others in gaining higher awareness of their personal power, intuitive psychic abilities and to facilitate healing through a deeper connection with spirit. She believes in the power of traditional sacred arts used in a modern approach as a catalyst to transform others into a better state of living and to raise consciousness to guide and provide empowerment in our personal journeys.

Kathleen Shannon 2:44
Tatyana We are so excited to have you on the show. Thank you so much. I'm as equally excited. I mean, I feel like I've been following your work for I mean, both of us for probably a year or two and then I think I saw you post something about being bots and I think that we all realize that we are all following each other and I don't know I just fangirl out on you all the time.

Emily Thompson 3:08
Our slack group kind of like freaked out for a moment there was like some screenshot sharing and all of these things and we were like alright, done, Tatyana is coming on the show. That's the wild that's awesome being here because I

Kathleen Shannon 3:23
think it was like you were showing your desk with some cards and then the being boss book and we were like losing our minds

Tatianna Tarot 3:29
so excited. And that was like a period where I was traveling a great deal and so your book or being boss book was like my personal companion like my my getaway escape when I could in those moments of travel.

Kathleen Shannon 3:44
Well, we're so excited to keep you company but this episode is all about you. Because I am we're both so curious about your entire journey and Tarot and as a creative entrepreneur and what you're up to. So to begin, can you just give us a little bit of background as to what it is that you do for a living as a creative entrepreneur? And then how you got into being an intuitive tarot reader?

Tatianna Tarot 4:10
Absolutely. So I consider myself an intuitive tarot reader, I utilize Tarot as a form to help my clients gain more clarity in their lives, to help empower them to help give them a boost of confidence and a sense of direction and purpose essentially to to remind them of their own essence and force. And I use predominantly the cards but I also incorporate a lot of ritual work. So I'm a ritual practitioner. And so I use these different modalities as healing tools, essentially, and I got into Tarot, very young I would say that Tarot discovered me or Tarot stumbled along my path around the age of six suit super young, my family not conscious of the woowoo world was going frequently out on these little dates with my father to the bookstore I grew up in in New York. And so we would frequent Barnes and Nobles pretty often. And there, I saw my first deck of cards. And I really, really felt gravitated to the Tarot not really knowing what it was. And I wasn't allowed to get them at that time. As you know, I was a kid and my dad's like, that's not for kids. But my grandma had a playing card deck in her home. And so what I did was like, Oh, this is something that I can make believe and pretend that I you know, how to, I know how to read or I know how to tell fortune so to speak. And so it's always been some sort of a playing game that stuck by to me. And I utilized it in in elementary school, junior high school, high school and college. And I always had this sort of gift that I didn't really consider to be anything serious until my friends and friends of friends would really tell me how much they resonated with my message. And I would see their emotions in person, you know, people would be crying, and I really saw how much of an impact it was having on individuals, I started taking it a little bit more serious. Okay,

Emily Thompson 6:27
I have to know how it was that you were using the Tarot or was this the playing card deck in elementary and middle school? Like, what were you doing at that time?

Tatianna Tarot 6:37
It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre. I really tried to break it down to people because I could barely understand it myself. But essentially, I do remember fragments of my childhood being like this is maple leaf, right. And so I would carry like a lunchbox, I would pretend to be a purse and coupons would be money. And then I happened to have playing cards decks as tarot cards. And so the hearts would be a love in spades is like, ooh, negative energy, or like, oh, watch out and like clubs with the good luck. And so I don't even know what system I was using. At the time, I can't even begin to tell you how I even learned it was just pulling a rabbit out of a hat for me. But that really, I was going along with some sort of momentum there. And I was also reading people's palms. And I'll tell you, it's really wild. Because I remember being at my lunch table and trading with friends at you know, around that age. Hey, if you give me a chocolate pudding, I can totally give you a reading role as a tarot reader and intuitive reader since you were seven I swear must be a pass like thing. Because it's not like you know, it can you can understand it. If it's like, oh, you have that one aunt that's eclectic. And she reads at parties. No, I didn't have any of that. Granted, my father is a little Woo. He's the Pisces is an entrepreneur, very creative, into Edgar Casey into ancient civilizations into learning all this stuff. So he had books on creative visualization. He had books on how to read your aura, you know, up to a certain extent. So I was exposed to it, but nothing like divination and Tarot and magic. Like, I don't know where that came from.

Kathleen Shannon 8:34
You know, one thing I want to point out is that I feel that with the reading the cards, you were really using your intuition from a very young age and it's like, Well, duh, the hearts are speaking to love and that may be the club's the shape of a clover are speaking to luck. And I feel that so many people getting into Tarot now really just overthink it. And they're looking for so many other people to define it for them that they're not able to bring their own intuition and creativity to making a story out of it. And I think that's something that you do so incredibly well. I've learned so much, just from following you on Instagram whenever you do a three card pool, like really tying those together in a story and looking at the imagery and describing the imagery, but then layering in meaning you were so good at it, but also really empowering as far as all you've got to do is look at it and I know that your man doesn't read on Instagram anymore, and he's like you are but I remember some Instagram Stories way back. And you had asked him like to pull some cards and you were like, what do you see? And what do you think that means and that it just doesn't have to be so complicated or so mysterious that you can bring your own intuition and meaning and obser skills of observation to it. Absolutely, and

Tatianna Tarot 9:59
You know, when I'm teaching the class I teach pretty frequently. And that's the first thing that I tell people is that one thing is that the cards are very multifaceted. You know, it's not just one definition explains all you're really tapping into with an image. It's it's kind of like that saying a picture has 1000 words, and says 1000 words. And I think my approach to it comes a little bit from my educational background. So I had majored in dance, and archaeology. And I had, I had taken a lot of art history classes, and so analyzing portraits and sculptures and breaking that down and finding the connection and the underlining history and you know, what's the purpose? And how is this utilized? And, you know, what, how can we foresee this being used in the future? It's very similar to the cards in the sense that, you know, the pictures tell a story. And so rather than looking for the definition, how is this story in this image making you feel, you know, what are the subtleties about the the symbols, you know, telling you? What directions are the character spacing? Why, what happened prior to this one screenshot of a card? What's going to happen? After, you know, what

Kathleen Shannon 11:26
are the colors invoking in use, so there's just so much substance that like to have your spirit and your intuition to fill in the blanks, and it could be a really, really fun process. It doesn't have to be tedious at all. But we're just so accustomed to overanalyzing and over rationalizing, and just trying to pry everything down and think things into access, that it's important for us to move out of the way and just kind of tap into that sense of feeling and allowing yourself to tell a story with this is so interesting, especially from the art history point of view. Because as someone who went to school for painting, we were taught to really bring a creative rationale to our work. And then in the same, you know, in our art history classes, really dissect the paintings, and sometimes I thought, I'm just painting something that I think looks cool. Like you all are way overthinking all of this. But then, what's really interesting about that is I would paint something, I would think it had no meaning I would just kind of be doing it. And then afterward and upon reflection, and maybe even years later start to see things in a painting that I did, where I was like, Oh, now I know what that meant. And it was probably like an intuitive soul process of swords. And so I think that anytime I feel skeptical, even about Tarot, like, whatever, just because that little girl is facing the left, that doesn't mean anything. I'm overthinking it, but then trusting just trusting my own interpretation and intuition. whenever it comes to that analysis, or lack thereof, and just tapping into the feeling.

Tatianna Tarot 13:04
Definitely, I feel like it's important for anybody just to hold space and see, okay, what is it that you're pulling in that present moment, they're there, I don't want to say everything has a reason, or everything has a purpose, because it can be a little trite, right, but there are moments like that that's like, oh, in retrospect, I am able to connect the dots, it does make sense. And I just needed to just go with the flow, and allow myself love my spirit to express itself authentically, freely without me trying to confine or define anything, so to speak. So there's always that you know, stepping back, doing the work, stepping back and allowing itself to reveal its purpose in time.

Emily Thompson 13:51
I also want to throw in here that one of the things that I find that I connect with so much with what you're saying is that as an entrepreneur, I often find myself forcing everything, literally everything, no showing up building business, all of these things. And what I definitely find is that whenever that whenever I'm really deep into it, I start really craving time with my cards, being able to step back and really give myself the space to tap into my intuition and to slow down and not not really force anything but just see what comes up, I found is also a really powerful way for me to sort of balance the like drive that it takes to build business with sort of the slowness that is necessary to like slow down and enjoy everyday life.

Tatianna Tarot 14:50
Right. I find that you know, Taro is such a for me in particular. It's such an introspective practice that it can be like it's definitely a form of self care. And so during this I relate to you completely in the sense that in control free, Kay, I'm like, this goddess with 18 arms that's doing the most at this moment. And I just need a sense of serenity and peace. And the cards offer that the cards, essentially, because it's not. I guess it's not so much as a magic eight ball where you're getting this automatic answer right then and there and it's like, bam, here's your yes or no, it's more like, I'm going to need to take time to dissect, which requires me to hold space for myself and really listen to my internal process, and see how that's being mirrored in the cards. It's this intimate relationship that's, you know, it's almost like you're, you're seeing a physical manifestation of your energy in front of you on cardstock.

Kathleen Shannon 15:56
Yeah, and that's never black and white. That's never a yes and no, there's a million different options and paths available to us. There are so many nuances and themes and variables, whenever it comes to making decisions and doing the work and figuring out what it is that you want, personally and professionally. And the cards are going to reflect that. And so it does take, I think even after reading the cards can give you all the answers, but if you're not open to it, or if you're not, on it doing, you're honest, or even doing the work it takes to understand what that means for you and what that means for your next steps. Then, then your, your loss, you know,

Tatianna Tarot 16:42
to you. Yeah, yeah. And I also find that, you know, so this is like a spiritual tool, that that can definitely be utilized for personal development, personal advancement. But what it is, is that it's really trying to teach you how to be more accountable, responsible and aware of your power and your energy here as a human being aware of the human experience, right, and what we go through on a day to day basis. intimately, and cosmically and how that interconnects.

Kathleen Shannon 17:20
So I have a question with that. Going into a reading, what are the best ways that you can prep or that your clients can prep for a tarot reading, whenever it comes to being open and honest, and really bringing it to that experience?

Tatianna Tarot 17:36
I would definitely tell people to be very clear and concise with what their intentions are, it's not a necessity. But the reason why I let people know, what is it that you're needing a reading for? Exactly? I'll get a lot of broad questions like, Oh, I'm going through so many transformations and shifts, and I'm like, that's an everyday thing. Like it's not. Now, you know, what, what more? What's the specifics of what you're experiencing? Do you feel like you're you're losing your old identity? Is it a are their relationships that are falling apart? Do you feel like there's a shift in your creativity? And then your sense of purpose with your career? What is it? What is it that you're actually seeking the cards for guidance? Or are you approaching the cards to rob you of your power to rob you have your sense of, of choice, so to speak, and to make decisions for you? Are you really approaching it from that angle? Now, I want them to break it down. And let me know what it is that they're really seeking. Because the cards are so multifaceted, because if you pull so to speak, like a death card, that could be read in terms of finances, in terms of spirituality, in terms of relationships, in terms of etc, etc. And so it helps prepare me to be of service to you, if I know what sort of angle that what what it is that you're seeking, you know, it's not always a necessity. I think a lot of people come with a sense of curiosity, and it is fun. It's like going to a fair and sitting at the Gypsy booth and getting a reading and just seeing like, Okay, what does the universe want to tell me? that can also be a thing, but for the most part, if people are very inclined in wanting to get a reading, it's for a specific reason. So I want them to nail that down.

Kathleen Shannon 19:46
I feel like I'm kind of the opposite, where for like a daily draw for myself, it might be around something really specific or even what kind of energy can I bring to this day? Or what kind of energy can I learn from in this day and age? My readings I reserve when I'm hiring someone like you, it is more of like a broad, like, I just need you to like, see what

Emily Thompson 20:08
you sell me what I need to know, you know,

Tatianna Tarot 20:11
does that make sense? And that's totally fine. That's totally fine. But one thing that I've come across in my experience of reading as that what I'll do a lot of general readings, that's what I call a general reading. And a little bit later on the client will be like, Oh, well, I really meant to ask about the status of my marriage. I'm like, Well, why didn't we just get that out of the way?

Kathleen Shannon 20:38
Like they need a warm up reading or like, maybe they don't trust it. Like, they don't feel that

Tatianna Tarot 20:44
or they're too scared to want to know the answer or the truth of what they really know. Because child's not going to tell you something that you don't know. It's only just going to reveal like your subconscious process and everything that maybe you've been hiding from or avoiding or shutting your ears off to. Or maybe you haven't been accrediting your intuition. And Terrell is that like affirmation, like, yeah, you definitely need to make that leap. Yeah, you definitely can trust that co worker, you know, etc, etc.

Kathleen Shannon 21:22
Alright, I've got a question about the other ritual work that you do. And being a medium, how Tom tell us more about what that means and how it affects the way that you work and the way that you work with your clients.

Tatianna Tarot 21:35
So I just call myself a ritual practitioner to basically say that I work with the elements of nature to try to bring back energetic balance into a client's life. I utilize this in my life in the most simplistic of ways. And so what that looks like, for me, my personal practice stems from the yoruba tribe in Nigeria, and it's called effect. And so if pertains to various deities and various energies that correlate with nature, river, the air, you know, earth, and so I will do things such as spiritual bass, or if a client is more inclined to do more hands on work, like working with, with candles, working with fire magic, working with intent, putting something out there wanting to invoke a particular outcome in their lives, I'll do that too. more frequently. I've been working with, you know, spiritual baths as a way to bring a sense of peace and calm into someone's life. And what it is, is just accumulating these tools, water flowers in, you know, utilizing prayer. And I don't mean that in like, in a religious way, but you really vocalizing specific and deliberate intent, gratitude, and incorporating that into your daily routines, bathing yourself and washing away any energetic toxicity, just in the sense that we might use like a scrub to exfoliate, are the layers of our skin, we're using a spiritual bath to exfoliate, any dense toxicity, lethargy, you know, worry, anxiety, etc, etc.

Kathleen Shannon 23:36
Okay, I know our listeners are going to want specifics. So throwing some salt in the bath, some flowers, maybe like some crystals, like give us the specifics of like, how can we go from having just an ordinary bath, or maybe even a luxurious bath to having a magical bath.

Tatianna Tarot 23:58
In my tradition, there is this goddess that a lot of people like to connect with and pray to, because she's associated with fluidity, fertility of all sorts, not just childbirth, but the process of being creatively abundant, opulence and wealth internally and externally, sexuality power, intuition, and her name is Oh schoon. And so schoon where her spirit resides is in the river, mostly water, but the river. So we were near the Mississippi River. And it's not always the case that you need to go get river water. I mean, if you're in New York, you definitely don't want to go to the Hudson River. But you can use any water with that sort of intent. What you want to do is incorporate some elements that honor her and that are associated with that sort of the characteristics of her spirit. So honey for sweetness, coconut milk for the soft you know, soft abundance Yummy, yummy life. Fruits, oranges, apples berries for harvest abundance pumpkins, what else it will incorporate flowers, she's really big on sunflowers. She's big on anything that represents natural beauty, cinnamon, and so you're adding these ingredients into the bath. And I would say be very intuitive with it. A shoe is somewhat associated with the number five. So you could add five of each. It's not necessarily a necessity, but you want to put it in a bowl. And as you're combining, thank you, oh shoo in for your presence. And I ask that you please ensure that I ensure that you bless my home, my family, my children, may I prosper in every aspect of my life, may I thrive with ease, please remove any toxicity. Please enhance my sense of worth my sense of confidence, allow things to just slip off of me. So that I don't worry, because she's kind of very nonchalant and very charming. And the joy of living is the essence of Oh, shoot. And so laughter and celebration and positive news. And may anybody that comes upon my path with positive intentions, may this extend to them as well. And it could be something as basic as that as long as you're feeling it, and you're putting the intentions and you go into your bath, and it's gonna be kind of messy. It's not like this luxurious spa bath, right? And do you can scrub your head and your body with the contents of the water. And of course, you're like, what the hell do I do with like, the remnants of the flowers and the fruit and whatnot, these are offerings that you can if you have the means to throw it in a body of water, so that it flows to ocean. Or you you know, it could become post going back into the earth or you know, you can incorporate it in another ritual or you throw it out. But if you throw it out, just do so with intention. And so simple, and it's beautiful, and it gets you in the zone of that energy.

Kathleen Shannon 27:30
All right, what would you say to someone who doesn't directly connect with ocean? Or is it okay for anyone to directly connect with that deity? Or do you think that people should find a deity that resonates with them? Or even a kind of energy that resonates with them whenever it comes to making this offering and making this bath?

Tatianna Tarot 27:48
Certainly, yes and no. So I feel like Oh, schoon is such a benevolent spirit that she is pretty much you know, that energy is going to be able to discern what your intentions are, what kind of an individual you are, and how you live your life and whether you do so with integrity and dignity. And I think that's really what's going to make the bulk of this magic work is that if she truly feels in alignment with with your spirit, because the important thing to note is that you're not revering something externally, it's just an energy that you share and resonates with you. So essentially, it's like I am honoring the shown within me. You know, and I think people have a big misconception of that. And so in under it one way, yes, you need to proceed with caution in terms of utilizing cultural deities and spirits that may not pertain to your culture. I feel like you can absolutely access the energy of OSHA and other cultures as long as you do so with integrity as long as you respect the particular traditions and you care to be proactive enough to learn about the procedures in the protocols as such. I mean, you could be you could take initiative by contacting a practitioner of that practice and field and asking them or maybe even googling some books on Amazon, buying something and just reading up on it. The first way to start is really doing your history and your lineage where your family comes from. a close friend of mine, she's she calls herself a Viking priestess, another friend of mine, he's really connected with Druids. And so you would start with your own ancestral lineage, making that intention to connect to them asking your parents for photos and folklore and stories and behind the scenes. Putting the puzzle pieces together, if you have the privilege to do so some people don't. Even so I would say prayer and intention, you know, speaking things into existence, I would love to connect with the spirits of my other side for the highest good of all involved, because not all of our ancestors are pure and nice. You know, and then just holding space to see what happens meditating, are you, you know, it's something coming up in your meditations, where it could be some sort of insight, do you? Or do you feel compelled to go to the library to do further research, etc, etc. And so yeah, people can definitely approach these energies. We're not really talking about initiation. We're talking about something you know, which is a very serious commitment, we're talking about just incorporating those characteristics and honoring that we share the same vibration and having that extra assistance to perform a task. You're giving an offering, so it's a reciprocated exchange.

Emily Thompson 31:14
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I want to get back to Tarot if we may, I want to talk about how it is that you personally use it. So not even for reading for clients. But how it is that you use the Tarot to, you know, make work decisions or sort of navigate through your life.

Tatianna Tarot 32:46
Totally. So I use Tarot now, because in my work is pretty redundant, right? I'm just reading clients day in and day out. And so with that sort of routine, it can get very teary, tedious, I can't even get a bit resentful. Like, I don't want to do this, I'm exhausted. I feel like I'm not tapping into my creative potential. And so I have to remind myself that first and foremost, I'm an artist, I you know, I was a dancer before I even stepped into this field of the Whoo. And so it's like, how do I marry these worlds together? How can I think outside of the box. And so I actually seldom read myself, I find that a lot of people find it tricky to read themselves. It's it's not as fluid for me as it would be an individual to me reading an individual. And so what helps me are reading spreads or incorporating spreads, rather than just kind of going with the flow and being a little bit more intuitive. I've been analyzing some deep complex spreads recently for myself, that I might want to break down into workshops and classes, one of which is called rottens wheel that is very esoteric, and eclectic and incorporates the full deck. And what it does is that it contains three wheels, past present and future breaks down what's going on now breaks down what has gone on for the past 28 days, and what is to come for the next span of three months ahead. There is a section on the side that talks about past life relationships and how that connection is relevant to your life right now. And the other section talks about past lives and the energy of such you know, so the section about past life relationships, we'll talk about your your connection to your family, your lovers, etc, etc. You know why you repeat certain energies, why you have certain dynamics and patterns and then the bottom is reserved for nine questions that you were to write before the beginning of the spread. And then you read this wall together. It's like a big conjure pot of cards, and it's complex. And people say it takes about three to nine hours to really break it down.

Kathleen Shannon 35:18
I just want to say that sounds like an all day event,

Emily Thompson 35:20
I'm making a whole notebook. A whole notebook is what I

Tatianna Tarot 35:25
was reading. You read these cards, seasonally? So it's four times a year, right? Just when we're doing business work, we can work in quarters. And that's another way segue into that how I incorporate Tarot in business. Sundays, I pull one card for every day of the week, business wise, what am I to expect? You know, what sort of energy should I be projecting for success, financial success, to reach my financial goals to avoid certain energies, etc, etc? What do I need to know? What's the theme of the month. And I actually also just like to incorporate, you know, the cards in dance, I did a choreography where I was kind of doing like this live action of a reading and going through the major arcanas and different energies and incorporating that and movement. I also like to just do wild things and completely throw the cards on the floor with intention be like, Okay, this is the universe and just see what flips up and what's down and the patterns and the layers and dissect that and just kind of try to come up with things that I haven't seen as something that's going to spark further inspiration, maybe spark a blog post, maybe spark some content, maybe Spark, oh, I want to analyze this painting and see how it correlates with the Tarot or, you know, analyze this piece of music. You know,

Emily Thompson 37:03
I love how you just throw all the quote unquote, rules out the window, and you're like throwing your cards around and coming up with insanely large and like, complex spreads. And I also love that all of this is you using your own creativity to rethink how it is that you do something that so many people are doing, and basically the same way. I mean, if you're doing tarot readings, you're doing a tarot reading, like most other Tarot readers who are doing tarot readings. But if you're also creating your own spreads, coming up with workshops about it, or just challenging yourself to think about them or see them in a new way, then you are taking that next step, and to just doing better than what is expected.

Tatianna Tarot 37:52
Well, it's also for me, it's like, I'm sure it's the same for you guys. We're in an industry of problem solving, right? And so it's like, how can I find a way to make this fun and easy? Something that is not accessible to the public, something that you can't necessarily read up online or in a book? How do I break this down? So that it's like, oh, people don't have to perceive the Tarot. As like cracking open the calculus textbook. Like, God, I gotta memorize 78 cards and what is, it could be a lot. And so I definitely tell people, there are no rules in Tarot. It's free. Well, it's like Pandora's box. No, it's like, anything can happen. And you really have full range of exploring this modality and using it in a way that really sparks your creativity and your interest. And in it, it gets you It gets you to kind of know yourself in a new in a new lens.

Emily Thompson 39:08
Right. And for me, it sounds like you're just, you are nurturing a close relationship with your work on like, a whole different level. And again, you're not just showing up to do the work, but you're showing up to do the work in a different way. And that's so much deeper than just showing up to do the work.

Tatianna Tarot 39:30
Yeah, I mean, it is a passion of mine and I think it's almost like there's aspects of myself that's a little bit of a mad scientist that just is really struggling to understand. I don't know if you guys ever seen that clip of Beyonce where she was like, why do I have this talent? Why is it me? Not like, it's like what why? What What about my journey with the Tarot that's like, hey, I'm sick, I'm just gonna pick this up. And I don't know where it comes from that is just so wild and bizarre to me. Like, what is my purpose with this deck of cards? Like, why do I personally resonated with it with it so well that it's easy for me to read and others know like, why is it that I have a business from this, this was not my intention, like I did not see this coming in a million years. It is a passion of mine, it's my happy zone. I feel like it's providing purpose. I feel like it's effective. I feel like it's hitting every niche that I need to feel fulfilled. And I guess in me doing all this stuff and all these experiments and thinking outside the box, it's really like a call for me to dissect the the the reasoning, and I might never figure out what that is, it might just be like, Oh, we all have that one thing. We all have that one gift, you know. And that's just what it is. But

Kathleen Shannon 41:02
I want to talk about the creative like you were a creative through and through dance Taro mad scientist medium. I want to talk a little bit about the business side, was it hard for you to start, you know, charging? or How did you build up the business side of it? And what have been some of your biggest lessons like what would you say to someone who is incredibly creative by nature and wants to start a business, but doesn't know where to begin? It's totally not easy. And I feel

Tatianna Tarot 41:33
Amen, amen. Right. It's it's a big sacrifice. A lot of people just see the whoo, whoo, on social media, right. But what they don't see is, oh, fucking taxes.

Unknown Speaker 41:47

Tatianna Tarot 41:49
Finding the right accountant, or like breaking things down in a spreadsheet, this scheduling system, that email system, everything, dealing with difficult clients trying to be more efficient, you know, marketing, branding, you know, dealing with your this is spiritual industry. So there's a sense of sensitivity. This is the level of sensitivity that you have to approach people with, because they're vulnerable. And it's like, when they're coming to you, it's usually because there is a problem, right? And so it's almost like a doctor, essentially. And so I would tell people, I'm very fortunate that my parents are entrepreneurs and creative entrepreneurs at that. So I've always had them as an example. And I've always worked alongside of them, you know, my dad being an actor, and then a dog whisperer, and he likes to rehabilitate dogs, and he like, trains them and all that stuff. So it's like, great to see his journey. A lot of my experience comes from the dance intra industry and working as an instructor and a performer and a choreographer, and trying to strive to really create a market for myself in New York City, with all these modalities of dance and also, you know, what else can I do that it's not like I'm always active, you know, coming up with new content in dance, like new classes, or you know, incorporating yoga, etc, etc, branding myself, etc, etc. So that kind of trickled in into Tarot. And I love business. I love breaking this down, even the tedious stuff. It's not easy. It's not a happy place all the time. But it does get me excited. I am a nerd. I love reading books on entrepreneurship, a big fan, I love watching YouTube videos on breaking shit down. I would say I think that there is a little bit of a void. And I personally would like to transition into maybe being a business consultant when I feel like I'm at that level to do so when I figured out my own shit. Because there's a lot of friends and people that like don't know the basics, we don't know how to set up a website inefficient website that has the How to and boundaries, which are so important. You know, this is what you can do. This is what you cannot do. I am not an emotional punching bag. Right and readings are from so and so you can't just call me up in the middle of the night because you have a crisis or sending me really hostile emails. And I think a lot of spiritual practitioners Don't underestimate the amount of work, content work, you know, how do I create a successful social media platform and really spreading the word and word of mouth and doing events you know Not just being behind the scenes and seeing clients on your, your computer, but I love socializing. And I'm very fortunate to have been from New York, and to be in like the limelight where, you know, I've done amazing events like film festivals to Tribeca Film Festival parties, birthday parties, bachelorette parties, you know, Afro punk, etc, etc. And so it's like, you know, there weren't a lot of people doing something like that. But if there's a will, there's a way, and you have to be very persistent. And you have to be very proactive. And you really just got to think outside the box, because a lot of people are like, Oh, you can't do that, or I didn't think about that before, I thought you had to just, you know, be in a little fringe corner shop and wait for people to come to you. It's like, that's not really how it's going to work.

Kathleen Shannon 45:58
But you're figuring it out as you go. Every day, right?

Tatianna Tarot 46:02
Yeah. And I'm inspired by by seeing other entrepreneurs such as you guys. I'm inspired by people who have absolutely nothing to do with the spiritual community, maybe people who work out people who are working with ceramic arts, painters and potters and florists and other visionaries and seeing Okay, what are they doing it what's gravitating? What's making me gravitate to their art and their work ethic? And how can I incorporate that into my own business. And so that's

Kathleen Shannon 46:36
why it's like, you've got to build up your community of other creatives, because even I saw you posting something on Instagram about scheduling. And I sent you a DM and I was like, you've got to get acuity scheduling or something. All that back and forth. It's like this can be easier, but you don't know what you don't know. And especially if you've never been an entrepreneur before. And also, that's important to know, because I have been so stubborn thinking that I can do it all. And it's like, do I really want to invest in that? No. And it's sometimes like, yeah, you're gonna have to invest. Just try to be as efficient as possible and delegate more, you know, so that you can make space and time for the things that really matter. Focus on your shrinks. And and really bank on your strengths. You know, my weakness, you is the back and forth with the emails and things that really drain you over time. And my strengths is like I like to sit down and write content, I like to think about what videos are going to be most effective? And what's going to answer what people want to know. I like to analyze comments and see okay, what are these people really asking for? You know, what, what is it that they need that they don't really know how to vocalize or express or what has not been done? And it Oh, like, I'm really into photography now. And I'm like, into plants and cooking and like, oh, how do I incorporate Tarot and then cooking and oh, maybe who do like ooh, like this plant is great, like rosemary in my chicken protective chicken. Something really dope and out of the box. Yes, speaking of protective chicken. That was a terrible segue. You've got this sweetest little baby. And I'm so curious how you're bringing magic and ritual into motherhood and into your into her life. Because, you know, you're talking about being six years old at Barnes and Noble and not quite allowed to buy a tarot deck, whereas I feel like your daughter's probably already reading. So like, What is that like for you?

Tatianna Tarot 48:48
Um, it's very organic, because I Well, I wasn't compelled to read people so much as I was pregnant. It was a very exhausting pregnancy, I felt like, intuitively because I'm always like, go go, go hands on doing a million things at once. Like that pregnancy sat my ass down, it was like, you're going to do nothing. And you're going to watch TV, you're going to read and you're just going to marinate in stillness. And so during that time, I felt compelled to still do my work in new form of teaching. And I think like, you know, the universe has its ways of opening up new avenues. So you know, like, though that's the direction I need to go on because a lot of people were inquiring about classes, or they were coming up to me to say, Hey, would you be interested in teaching in my shop and so me one who had been really resistant to such because I never really felt like oh, well, how am I going to break down what I do? How do I explain this? I kind of just threw myself in there just went with the flow and started creating the curriculum and etc, etc. So she's always been in the womb exposed to that she's always been in the womb, while I was reading people. And now that she didn't know, she's turning one next month, I take her to all the classes with me, she's teaching the class with me. No, even if that means like, I literally, I have a laptop here, and I'm breastfeeding her in front of my class. And a lot of it is because my husband's working in the evenings and I don't have family here and I just feel uncomfortable leaving her there in the daycare in the evening. Like, I don't come out of class until like 10, etc, etc. And like, I don't want right herself. And I want her to be exposed to different things. So she can say, Oh, this is what mommy does. And and there are different ways of being a creative entrepreneur. And I don't say that I do a lot of hands on ritual with her because I, you know, my life is just so busy as is with being a mom. I try to be as minimalistic as possible as simplistic as possible. So I just she, she's just watching me for every step of the way. When I'm cooking, I'm explaining to her this new thing that I'm doing, you know, like who do cooking like I'm adding these recipes that she's saying mama? Make oils. Hey, you want to sniff some rose oil like Whoo, okay, you know, she's got to strapped on me. And so it's like leading, leading through example, leading by example, though. I'm not gonna force anything on her. Like she certainly likes to knock on the cards. Haha.

Kathleen Shannon 51:40
Yeah, that's funny. All right. Well, before we wrap up, I have a few quickfire questions for you. Okay, what are like your go to Tools and talismans?

Tatianna Tarot 51:53
Okay, so what has been gifted to me pretty frequently is this Palo Santo oil that's been used for grounding. It smells like heaven. Palo Santo is translated into holy wood. And it's very synonymous with like the purpose of sage, which is banishing negativity clearing up the air getting you to a state of balance and grounding. And this is just like a sweeter set. And so I grabbed that to go while I'm giving readings, or just when I need to snap out of it when I'm dealing with my child, and it's very overwhelming just pour it on. I also have like this Nefertiti necklace, that I just really resonate with the image of Nefertiti and her for her status as this royal royal divinity, energy divine energy and how she was very autonomous spiritually and, and her reign in that and so I like that as a reminder, I also wear a Brooklyn rain that reminds me of home and it reminds me of the hustle mentality because living in New Orleans now. It's the Big Easy, so everything is like slow and just it's so easy to be like and I'm just gonna lounge with a cocktail and it's like, no, you're from Brooklyn, New York.

Unknown Speaker 53:22
Get back to work. Yeah, I

Emily Thompson 53:25
know where we're planning our being boss New Orleans trip as of recording this it will be in like two weeks and I am becoming all too familiar with what it's like to do business in the big AC. Yeah, or try to do business is the Big Easy.

Kathleen Shannon 53:41
Next quick fire. What card Are you resonating the most with right now?

Tatianna Tarot 53:47
The Magician? I will what I want. Get it done. How can I maximize my time on this planet? Uh, you know, how can I just be this creative vessel? Making things manifest in the physical realm?

Kathleen Shannon 54:02
That's my favorite too. I love that. Right? What's your sign?

Tatianna Tarot 54:08
So I'm a Virgo sun Leo moon Leo rising Yeah, that's a lot

Emily Thompson 54:16
love that Kathleen? is a Leo rising right Kathleen? And I'm a Leo moon.

Tatianna Tarot 54:21
Oh, Wilds there we go right there. So yeah, it explains a lot of what we're all connected.

Kathleen Shannon 54:30
Okay, what recently has made you feel most boss?

Tatianna Tarot 54:34
Oh, God, stepping into a producing role. So I've been working with this director for a secret project and he just doesn't know nothing. And so I really had to step into this role where it's like, really explaining my way of living and explaining my contents and explaining my work and it just made me feel like I am adding on a new responsibility. I'm adding on to a new gift the new role which excites me it's like, oh, what, what are my potentials here? You know, business lives. And so I would say also just really just writing sitting down and doing content, the stuff that it's not so pretty. I makes me feel purposeful. Well, you

Kathleen Shannon 55:17
do such a great job at it. I cannot wait to hear more about this secret project. I think that you've given us a few glimpses on Instagram. So speaking of where can our listeners find you? Where can they book a session with you? Where can they find you on Instagram? Tell us all the places Absolutely. So

Tatianna Tarot 55:33
my website is called my Urban illumination.com and you will be able to book yourself a session read more about the process about the sessions and myself there. For more updates on my personal life and my Tarot journey to read the meditations and sculpt so you can visit my twitter or my Instagram at Tatyana Taro. And that's Tatyana with two ends.

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