Episode 199 // Crystals for Creatives with Hibiscus Moon

Kathleen Shannon 0:02
Hello and welcome to being boss,

Emily Thompson 0:04
a podcast for creative entrepreneurs. I'm Emily Thompson.

Hibiscus Moon 0:08
And I'm Kathleen Shannon. And I'm hibiscus moon and I'm being boss.

Emily Thompson 0:18
In this episode of being boss, we're talking all about crystals for creatives with hibiscus moon. As always, you can find all the tools, books and links we reference on the show notes at WWW dot being boss dot club.

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Emily Thompson 1:49
hibiscus Moon is a former science department head turned at Crystal healer and self proclaimed geo geek extraordinaire. She's the founder of the hibiscus moon crystal Academy and author of the book crystal grids how and why they work.

Kathleen Shannon 2:06
hibiscus moon, I am so excited to have you on being bossed today. Emily has been getting into crystals, but I and I like them. I have them. But I don't know a lot about them. And I want to be able to use them better. So we're going to dig in. But first, can you tell us a little bit about how you got into working with crystals?

Hibiscus Moon 2:28
Yeah, well, I've always been intrigued by crystals by I know, you know, a lot of us are that way since we were kids. And by the way, I have to say I'm excited to be on this podcast because I listened to you guys all the time. So sorry for going off track there. But I remember looking at my first crystal book, when I was three years old, my father had like a museum coffee table book and I was just riveted by it, I thought they were the most exciting things ever, I couldn't believe that these came out of the ground, you know, discovered in dirt like treasures, just beautiful faceted jewels basically is what they look like to me and I was just enamored with them, then it kind of took a convoluted path growing up and got really into science but um, you know, was always attracted to geology studies and things like that became a science teacher. But at the same time, I was really still interested in the metaphysical side of things. And kind of approaching things from that duality, both the scientific side and then the metaphysical side. And whenever I would find places where the two seem to intersect, that really excited me. So that was kind of like my convoluted path. I'm kind of approaching it from both angles all along the way. So it was really interesting path to take, I guess.

Emily Thompson 3:49
I feel like most of us have a similar path who get into crystals and rocks were you know, we were just enamored with them as we were when we were children. And I'll even say do you know I feel like a lot of us will women especially like loving our crystals and like having them in our pockets and in our bras and all of our house like there's a little bit I could see a bit of a stereotype there. However, I will also say that to coming from you know, Alabama, all those country boys especially they all have stories of going caving and finding God out you know, on the creek and all of these things were like rocks and crystals are one of those things that sort of transcends like gender and you know where you're from and how old you are like all of these things. Because crystals and rocks are such an easy thing for literally everyone to be connected to or have a story about in one way or another.

Hibiscus Moon 4:49
Yeah, totally. Absolutely. And I I like that side of it too. I've been to a couple of mines and done some digging myself and that is so much fun. It is so addicting to actually dig in some dirt. And bring these crystals like, almost like I don't know, I mean birthing a baby for a doctor maybe I don't know, like the first time they get to see the sunlight after they've been buried underground growing there for millions of years. It's highly addicting.

Kathleen Shannon 5:21
I bet. Alright, it's time to dig in because I have so many questions. First, how do crystals work? And maybe we should start this with like, how do you work with crystals? And then how does that work?

Hibiscus Moon 5:34
Okay, so can I approach it from the scientific side of things? Okay, I

Kathleen Shannon 5:39
think that will make everyone feel at ease who's listening to this? We can start to get well.

Hibiscus Moon 5:44
Okay, good. Just feel free to jump in interrupt me if you need me to. I'm not going to get to like technical or anything like that. But that's my natural mo is to kind of default to the scientific explanation of things because that's how my mind

Kathleen Shannon 5:58
or get as technical as you like, we have some pretty smart listeners.

Hibiscus Moon 6:02
Okay, yeah, I know you do. Cuz I could tell from the topics and things. Alright, so Well, everything everybody, our As humans, we have an average vibrational frequency for our body, okay. And it's made up of all the different organs that we have, like our heart has a certain vibrational frequency, our stomach cells brain all kinds of different vibrational frequencies, we don't have one frequency. So because it's all random, it's it's not like where we Yes, we have some crystals in our body. And we're made up of partly some liquid crystal even. Mostly, we're not crystaline. And I'll get into what that means why that's special. So we are not very stable. We're made up of all these random vibrational frequencies. And we're easily influenced by other frequencies. Okay, so we can get out of whack whenever we experience anything that's considered high energy. In physics, we call that high amplitude, like turning the amplitude of amplifier really, really high. So anything that's considered high energy we can get influenced by that could be good. That could be bad. Depends, right? So crystals have energy vibrations, just like everything else does every bit of matter, every kind of energy, even our thoughts have certain energy vibrations. And crystals vibrate at different vibrational frequencies depending on different things. The specific frequency depends on things like the crystals, molecular structure, its molecular composition, the elements in it, its size, its thickness, and its color. And color is specific light frequencies. Okay, people don't think of it that way. But if you look at the electromagnetic spectrum color is just this specific band that's really small, that we can visibly see with our eyes, but it's just a type of light frequency. So the crystals, taking all those components together, is what creates the crystals specific vibrational frequency. Now, what actually makes a crystal a crystal is that if you were able to go down really small and look at the molecules, instead of being like us, where it's kind of very random, they're very, they're arranged in a very specific fixed, regularly repeating geometric pattern. Okay? So it continually repeats, that's what makes a crystal a crystal. So they're geometrically perfect at the molecular level. So because of that, they're more stable. And they're less likely to be influenced by other things, okay? So they're unwavering they have this lowest possible state of disorganization. In physics, you might remember hearing about entropy. So they have this very low state of disorganization or entropy. And they easily maintain their base frequency. They're not easily knocked out of balance, like we are, right, not easily influenced by other kinds of energies like we are. So that stability is why they're using certain kinds of technologies I'm sure you've heard, and so they have this unique ability to influence the energies around them. Okay, so remember, your body is more easily influenced by higher amplitude energy, so the crystals have that higher amplitude energy. And I don't know about you, but I prefer to vibe up with crystal frequencies that are more stable, which they are if it's a crystal, it's higher frequency. So a more positive state of being rather than being like, influenced by low vibe or unpredictable yuck and stuck sort of energy I like to call it or being bounced around. Then like a negativity, soup, essentially, right? So you kind of have control over your environment by bringing crystals into your environment, either wearing them on you or having them close by, or there's lots of different ways to work with them. We can get into that. But that's essentially like the summary of how crystals work

Kathleen Shannon 10:20
and why they influence us. I have a question, because you're talking about stability of crystals, but then the high energy. So how does that how do they have that high amplitude?

Hibiscus Moon 10:30
Because of that stability? Because of those molecules being in that fixed repeating geometric pattern gives them that high amplitude energy?

Kathleen Shannon 10:39
I see. I think that I'm just thinking of this like solid state thing. Whenever I think of energy, I think about something moving around really fast, or really loud, or even just the extremes, right? When we think about something that's high energy, like our kid bouncing off the walls, and crystals just feel so almost static.

Hibiscus Moon 10:58
They do, but we don't see what's going on on the energetic level. I mean, there's energies all around us affecting us right now that we don't sense in any way, right. But some of them can be measured, some of them can, I mean, we're being bombarded by all kinds of frequencies, radio frequencies, Wi Fi frequencies, there's stuff going on everywhere. I mean, you go like, you wave your arm in the air. And imagine if you did that in the pool, the waves that it would create, right, but you go do this, you know, and and there's waves of energy being put out that we can't sense or see, but it doesn't mean that it's not there.

Kathleen Shannon 11:33
Okay, so let's say you have a crystal the size of your fist, for example, how far out does that frequency go? Like, if I have that in my house? Is it reaching my entire house? Is it reaching my neighbors? Or is it like, do I need to set it? Is this why people wear them in their bras and in their pockets? Like How close do you have to be to a crystal for it to have an impact on your own energy?

Hibiscus Moon 11:58
Well, okay, sometimes. So this kind of relates to the size matter, right?

Kathleen Shannon 12:04
size matter is essentially my question.

Hibiscus Moon 12:08
It does, but it's just one variable. Okay. So it's not the only thing that comprises what kind of energy that crystal might have. I mean, because I've heard people say, like, they've got this teeny, tiny little paradou. And it's got immense energy, you know, and then you would go well, the size of it, that makes no sense. But that's just one variable, one aspect of it. So yes, size does matter, because that is something that is measurable. It varies due to lots of different things, you know, again, the chemical makeup, the composition of the crystal, what kind of specific frequencies that has in different types of crystals have different types of frequencies. But yes, the size matters because the energy radius, if you just think about it that way, you know, if it's putting out an energy radius around it, it's going to be proportionate to the size of the crystal, right. And it's something that I actually teach my students how to do is how to measure that energy radius, but then there's ways of amplifying it. Like, it depends how you're working with the crystal, it depends on what crystals you have working with it, you can create something that I call a crystal grid, and bring sacred geometry into it and amplify it that way.

Emily Thompson 13:18
Okay, I have a nerd question that I feel like I need to ask you before I ever asked anyone else. Although it's always the thing I asked that I'm like to drinks and and people are asking me about crystals, always where I go. So crystals are forms, you know, in the ground. And it's like heat and pressure. And all of these things, take elements and turn them into other things. crystals. When do they stop growing? And are they growing right now? Like if you're holding a crystal in your hand, it's done growing? Right?

Hibiscus Moon 13:50
Okay. If you would ask me that question, Emily, like five years ago, I would have said, yeah, it's done growing once you take it out of the supersaturated crystal solution that they grow in. Once you take it out of that environment, it can't grow anymore. It's physically impossible. However, what you learn in geology, okay. However, yeah, working with crystals as closely as I've been, and then being exposed to, you know, client stories, and, you know, all my students and the things and my own experiences. I have seen crystals grow on the shelf, not a lot. It's not often it's very rare, but it's one of those things where you go, never say never because it can happen.

Emily Thompson 14:39
Right. I could see that happening. I haven't seen it happening. All right, guys. I haven't paid enough attention. But knowing the little bit that I do about geology, I feel like maybe it can happen and that freaks me out and makes me super excited. So thank you. That was my nerd question.

Hibiscus Moon 14:57
Yeah, I love that question. And you know what? academics are really never going to publicly admit that they know that that can happen. But I've talked to a couple who have known, you know, I've seen like, or, you know, I swear, when I collected that crystal, it was like this, and I've had it 10 years, and it looks different. It's grown, you know, but they're not going to publicly admit that, because it's kind of like, you know, a little embarrassing for them, you know, the academics how they are. So

Kathleen Shannon 15:26
I don't know a lot about academics. But the more I'm learning about them, the more I see they're more afraid of what everyone thinks of them. I don't know. And I'm think they'll lose their job literally. Well, I don't want to go off on a tangent about that, can you give us like a before we really dig into how our listeners can start using an integrating crystals into their rituals and routines and into their life, I would love to just hear maybe even a case study of how you would be affected by a crystal. So do you have any stories of how you personally have been affected by a crystal or maybe any of your students have been affected by it, Crystal,

Hibiscus Moon 16:06
tons of stories? Yes, I tend to be really practical, I used to just, you know, do the whole ritual thing and get really ceremonial about it and everything and then realize you don't have to do that. And that's really not me. It's not something that, uh, yeah, I love it. I love to see it on Instagram, and I love to hear about it. But to actually sit down and do it, I love the idea of it, but then I never get around to it right, and then it doesn't get integrated into my everyday stuff. So I like to do things in real practical ways. So like I just did one of these recently, and I do it all the time crystal therapy baths, where you put them in your bathwater, literally, you take a crystal that you know is not toxic, and that isn't going to dissolve in water. And that would be all your courses are safe for crystal bath, or any of your calcites are safe. And what's nice about quartz and calcite is both of those pretty much come in every color under the rainbow. So whatever it is you want to work on or with, you can find a crystal color to align with whatever you're trying your intention. And literally plop them into the bath and put them in the bathtub. Because the water is also highly programmable. It's something that's a great conductor and excellent energy conductor. Why you don't want to be in the swimming pool when there's lightning, right? So putting crystals in the bath is a amazing way to work with the crystals and really easy.

Emily Thompson 17:36
I started intuitively doing this this summer and whenever I saw you put something out recently about doing crystal bags, it was like oh mg I did it all by myself and I was super excited about it. But it was one of those things where I I been taking lots of badges and for me they're almost like therapy would you even call it therapy bath a second ago and I was using obsidian so I was putting some obsidian into my bath. Is that safe actually Now the thing is that like it okay when

Hibiscus Moon 18:05
now I'm scared It is okay, but I'm interested to hear how did you feel after that?

Emily Thompson 18:10
always so much better? always so much better. Okay,

Kathleen Shannon 18:15
wait, so what's obsidian for? And why did it make you feel better?

Emily Thompson 18:19
So obsidian is actually hibiscus moon, please tell us what would obsidian is for I don't want to show how newbie I am.

Hibiscus Moon 18:29
Well, I know you're not so newbie. But the reason I asked how did it make you feel was black obsidian, if it was black obsidian, there are different types, is known for being like a heavy hitter, as far as being highly protective, almost like a big badass body guard. And it can be a bit much for some people, Native Americans even warned about wearing it like near the heart or anything like that, because they feel that's dangerous, it's too much. It can be ultra grounding. And for some people that are like on the border of being depressed, it can pull them down into that feeling into that kind of vibration. So like I recommend a certain type of black obsidian bath that's really intense. It brings in Hawaiian black lava salt, and black obsidian. But I always say like, this is something you do, if you really feel like you need some extra help, you really need to pack a powerful punch because I don't, I don't, I don't recommend doing it as like relaxation bath because it might just be way too much. So, but if you were able to handle it either a you really really needed that or be you're pretty emotionally stable, like really, really so emotionally stable, so it doesn't affect you in that way.

Emily Thompson 19:53
Interesting. Okay, so I was taking lots of vows because I was actually feeling quite depressed for a while. The Summer and I actually found that like protective peace, feeling and more of, I don't know more of it sort of steadying negativity, if that makes sense. Instead of me, like spiraling into negativity, it's sort of being an anchor for it, if that makes sense. And I found it very therapeutic every time I did it. I haven't put it into my bags recently, have felt better recently. That's interesting. I'll have to think about that a bit more.

Hibiscus Moon 20:33
No, I was just gonna say, you know, totally makes sense. Maybe that was just enough just what she needed. But like, Emily, if you started doing it every day with a black obsidian, you might be like, Whoa, what's going on here? Something's shifting.

Kathleen Shannon 20:47
So there can be a dosing quality to it.

Hibiscus Moon 20:50
With that one? Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that with most crystals. But it seems that way for black obsidian. And like I said, there's been warnings about it since ancient times. So you got to say there's something to it, right.

Kathleen Shannon 21:02
Okay, so I give my kiddo a bath every night. And if I want him to sleep through the night, what crystal Should I pop into his bathtub?

Hibiscus Moon 21:10
Okay, I like Amethyst. for that one. There are other crystals that I would recommend like lapena light, but I wouldn't put that in the bathtub, because it's a softer stone. So here's the thing, if you have a good crystal reference book, like the book of stones you can check with the most hardness is and that's a geology term to see how hard a crystal is and relative relative to other crystals. So anything with a Mohs hardness of five or less, I wouldn't put in the tub on a regular basis because it will start to dissolve it. And if you really liked the crystal, you don't want to do that. If it'll make him sleep, I will invest in those crystals.

Kathleen Shannon 21:47
Well, and that's another question actually is. So let's say I'm wearing a crystal, and I'm near somebody, is the energy of that crystal going to affect that person? Or is there's a certain amount of? Well, I mean, it sounds to me like there isn't a certain amount of will or intention that goes into this like that this is a very physical, practical, literal thing that is affecting our energy. So what about that, like, my kiddo loves crystals, and he might pick out a few and have them by his bed? Are those affecting his energy? Like what's going on there?

Hibiscus Moon 22:19
Yeah, they are. And kids, by the way, are really highly intuitive, more so than we are. Because they're younger, they're less bias. They're less jaded, they're just closer to that realm. Like they just popped out of the Akashic, right, and I'm just getting, you know, a little bit woowoo here, but they're really close to that plane. And they're really intuitive. So whenever people ask me, for their kids, what crystals should they work with, I recommend, you know, instead of overwhelming them, maybe pick like 10 crystals, and put them on a tray and say, go ahead and pick whatever ones you think are going to be helpful for you for sleeping or for focusing in school, or whatever. And they'll know which which ones are the ones to work with, and have them pick two or three, and maybe put them in a little pouch, you can put them in their pillow or in their pocket or whatever. And they're going to know which ones work best for them. Because it's also an individual thing. When we give these crystal meanings. There I have found over the years, they're usually about 80% reliable for the entire population, but there's always that 20% that it doesn't work for them. And they're like, Okay, everybody says Rose Quartz is amazing for all matters of the heart. But it just makes me feel angry. That's a new one that I've been hearing a lot lately. And so there's about 20% and that that still holds true. And I have some theories why that might be going on. But I'm getting off track here. So just know that it's best to kind of experiment with the crystals for yourself and see what works best for you. Because we're all you know, we're all humans, yes, but we're all we all have our own individuals slightly different vibrational frequencies from each other. So everything's going to be a little bit different. Kind of a little different reality for everybody. Right.

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Kathleen Shannon 25:06
So the crystals that are in our watches or different electronics, those have an intention and purpose and function. I have no idea what it is. But is that, does that mean that we can then also give the crystals that were working with a function or a specific purpose to work with? Does that make sense? I have no idea what I'm talking about. So I there might be a better way to even ask the question.

Hibiscus Moon 25:32
Well, it's not it's a it's a good question. Because I feel really differently about that. A lot of people will say, you need to program your crystal. Okay, so what you just asked me I, that's how I interpreted it. Am I on the right track? Yes, exactly. Okay. I don't subscribe to programming your crystal. I know that's not a popular belief. But I feel like these crystals have been baked in mama earth for millions of years, have a specific vibrational frequency. In each of them. Even in technology, we use them for very specific purposes, because that's been inherently baked into them. And I feel like after 4.6 billion years, Mama Earth's got it figured out. Now I'm going to come along the measly little human and I'm going to program that crystal and tell it what it's going to do for me, I'd rather just approach the crystal without a bias and kind of figure out how I vibe up with that crystal, how does it affect me personally, you know, and then go from there. There's, there's 4500 different minerals. So there's going to be something out there for you. And there's so many books on this subject on what crystals good for this, you know, so we can always start there, and then experiment from there. So it doesn't have to be really difficult. But this whole idea of programming the crystal, I really don't subscribe to it. If it works for you out there, you know, or for you personally, then keep on going with it. You know, don't let anybody tell you Nope, that doesn't work. But it's just not something I personally feel strongly about at all.

Emily Thompson 27:13
All right, I have some questions around tuning into the crystals, because we just went into several different areas of how crystals can and do work and what that can look like. But what if someone is listening to this? And they're like, really? Or maybe they like, think that crystals can do what is just a rose quartz feels no different than a Black Tourmaline to them? How can someone tune into crystals?

Hibiscus Moon 27:44
Okay, so I'm gonna say this, if someone is highly skeptical, and they're like, this does not work, this is all a bunch of hooey. Come on, it's probably not going to work for them. Because the placebo effect is very, very real. Even in medicine, if you go in for a procedure, and you're like, you know, where this thing is not going to work, you know, it probably isn't going to because you're so against it, that's your reality that you're creating, right. However, some things are so intense that it's going to have an intense energy exchange with you, even if you have that skepticism. So I just wanted to preface that by saying that, but a good way to just tune in with a crystal, especially for people that are like really have a hard time with it. Like I consider myself energetically dense. I don't walk into a crystal shop and hold a crystal and go Whoa, that was so I feel the energy, oh my god, or I can't go in here I need to leave. Oh my god, this is too intense. I hear that all the time. And I used to be really jealous. Like, that's not me, you know. But I've found my way around that obviously, and I work with the crystals just fine. Not everybody's like that some people are really energetically sensitive, and some of us are energetically dense. So there's other ways you can tune in with the crystals. One way that I love is to do a crystal meditation. So I try I don't do it every day. But I tried to do a meditation every day. And I almost always bring a crystal in with me. I'll usually work with one specific crystal for a little while until I just feel like I'm good with that one or you know time to move on to something else or work with something else. Lately I've found cell tonight to be one of my favorites. I really really love it. It helps me focus and calm down and just stop the monkey chatter in my brain. Amethyst is a really lovely one to work with during a meditation. But I feel like whether you do a guided meditation or a silent meditation, it's a really good way to tune into the energy that you're receiving from the crystal. And another thing that I always say is that you're not necessarily always going to get the energy or the message during the actual meditation. It might come in later. Like in a dream that night, or in themes throughout the day, you know, things that happened, something you found on the sidewalk while you're walking to your car. And if you were to journal over a three or four day period while meditating with a crystal, for the three or four day period, you'd probably see some really strong themes come up. And when I say meditate, I don't mean you need to sit down for an hour, you can do as short as five minutes. You can do 10 minutes, you know, something practical that you can work into your day.

Emily Thompson 30:32
And what so other than journaling, and maybe seeing cons, maybe seeing themes coming up often, what else should you look for? When maybe you're meditating with a crystal for several days? Like, if it's the right crystal for you? If is the wrong crystal? If it's working or not? Like what should you be looking forward to? I don't know, see, see how that's working for you.

Hibiscus Moon 30:58
Well, some people get really clear messages like oh, my gosh, I got this message that I need to set up firm boundaries, and I need to really work on that. And they got really clear message. Some people work with a crystal, and they are feeling really uncomfortable the whole time and uncomfortable stuff is coming up for them. Or they get the heebie jeebies and stuff like that. So some people get really clear stuff. And when you say if you're, you almost need to know what your intention is, when you're sitting down with the crystal. Are you doing this just to figure out what the crystal has to share with you? Or are you doing this to specifically work on say, prosperity and abundance, you know, it depends what your intention is, when you're sitting down. If you're open, and you just want to see what the crystal is about, then that's almost nice, because you're bringing no bias to the table, right? If you have a specific intention on something you want to work on, like self love, you know, you might want to start with a crystal that you know, has usually for most people, that correspondence like Rose Quartz, and try it out for three or four days. If you're not feeling it, and you're not getting that self like love vibe from it after the four days, then I'd say switch to something else, try pink Tourmaline, you know, you might be in that 20%, where it's just not going to work for you, you got to try something else, something more potent, something more powerful, or just a different crystal.

Kathleen Shannon 32:27
I feel like I'm energetically dense whenever it comes to crystals. I'm like you, hibiscus moon where I'm not going into a shop and just feeling overwhelmed or holding certain crystals. But I have found that I have preferences. And so I'm always drawn towards crystals that like Smoky Quartz is probably one of my favorites. And I don't, unless I have a reference book in front of me, I don't really know what that means. And I'm always attracted to more Earth toned crystals. Well, that's funny, because they all come from the earth. So they're all Earth tone, right, but what we traditionally think of as earthtone, so greens, and kind of some oranges and blues is what I'm really attracted to. And so I just trust those preferences. And probably one of my most surprising tuning in stories that I've got is I was once in a shop and I thought, I'm just gonna be open to whatever and see what pops out to me, even through the lens of what do I like today. And I picked up one that was white with little black specks in it. And I was like, I'm I'm feeling this one, just I like it, I'm going to go ahead and get it and then see what it means. And I can't remember the name of the crystal, but it helps with sleep and insomnia, which is something that I regularly struggle with. And it was so funny too, because my little kiddo struggles with that as well. And he's part of what keeps me awake at night. And he took the crystal and hid it from me. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is so typical of you. Of the thing that's gonna help me sleep. But I was just so surprised by that, because it wasn't something that I would usually be attracted to. And it was exactly what I needed. And so what do you think about just being attracted to certain colors and finding that as a preference? What does that mean?

Hibiscus Moon 34:16
Oh my gosh. Alright, Kathleen. So now I'm gonna get really geeky, because I completely understand what you're talking about. For a while there, I was really attracted to blue crystals or clear crystals with blue in it like turquoisey blue, and I was really, really loving that. And all of those turquoisey blue crystals are copper derivatives. Okay, so I'm just gonna plant that seed here for a second. So then I started learning about something else when I was diving down, like my bio hacking health type topics that I like to and there was something called a mineral testing kit that you can use to see what minerals you're deficient in. So you take a You drops. And if it tastes, I forget which way it goes. I think if it tastes really sweet, that means it's something your body needs. So there were like eight different minerals, I think it was, and one of them was copper. And copper is not usually something were deficient in. But lo and behold, I'm deficient in copper. And so I have this whole theory now that you are attracted to not only what you need emotionally, but what you probably need physically as well. In the mineral kingdom, your body's trying to get it into your environment any way it can. And, you know, like, just having it, I feel very strongly that just having it in your electromagnetic field, vibes up with the copper that's in your body and amplifies it. So it could be something biological, the attraction as well.

Emily Thompson 35:52
That is so cool. That is so cool. And I agree with this idea of going at choosing rocks intuitively, because I think just like I don't know, tarot cards, or even like business, like anything, people can put so much pressure on themselves to understand everything before they dive into something, when I think that we all need to practice a lot more trusting our intuition when going into anything. And crystals for me has been one of those areas where I can do that. We're just like Kathleen, I'll walk into a shop and just see what I like that day. And then very are quite often, whenever I choose follows me around for a while, I'll see really great pieces of jewelry, or I'll be gifted one. And so I'll end up collecting the same kind of rock over a couple of weeks after I first choose it or notice it. And I think that I think that whenever we can open ourselves up to things like crystals in that way. Maybe it gives us more copper in our blood, whatever it may be. But I think it definitely invites in, you know, some of that synchronicity that makes us all feel like life is significantly more fun and enjoyable than if we were just walking around Pooh poohing on all the rocks.

Kathleen Shannon 37:10
Exactly. But at the same time, like, Is there a place where we need to be cautious? Like, for example, herbs is kind of this way where I like seeing what herbs are teas I'm attracted to. And oftentimes, I am attracted to the ones I need for a specific reason. So I remember even whenever I was young, I had a lot of stomach issues. And I always remember popping a peppermint would make me feel better. But I didn't know that peppermint was actually something that helps with tummy problems, right? So but herbs as we know are very potent and can be dangerous and at times are crystals the same way like we might be intuitively attracted to something but can they ever be harmful? Right?

Emily Thompson 37:50
Can you Oh D on course.

Hibiscus Moon 37:56
Okay, so I'd say for those of us that are really really grounded people. Probably you're okay as far as odine on crystals. But people who are really like in their higher chakras, or they tend to be what some would call flighty and that kind of thing or higher frequency, you know, there's lots of different names for it. They can od on crystals. I've heard of it many, many times. Those are the people that walk into the crystal shops and can handle it. Or if they have too many crystals in their home, they're like whoa, no way, you know, I'm turning into a whack job can't be having this. So there is that caution. So just be mindful of that. And then on a physical level. I meant to plug this in before when we were talking about the crystal therapy bath but it kind of like slipped my mind was I think I mentioned it for a quick second but let me just elaborate on it is you want to watch the toxicity level of some minerals. You don't want to throw any old mineral in the bathtub or drink gem water you see that a lot on Instagram, right people plopping crystals into water and stuff. You don't want to throw everything in there because this is where you know a lot of these minerals is where antimony mercury lead come from. Okay, so you have to watch the elemental content. That's why before I said quartz and calcite families, those two are safe. So you don't need to worry about those two families. But there are some crystals out there like beautiful cinnabar is gorgeous, but you don't want to put that in your water. You don't want it going through your pores or drinking it or anything like that. Don't

Kathleen Shannon 39:33
turn that into a Yoni egg. Yeah, no. No, no.

Hibiscus Moon 39:41
Yes, exactly. I've heard of some people putting creating these Yoni eggs out of just about any crystal and they're not being mindful

Unknown Speaker 39:48
of people.

Hibiscus Moon 39:52
That's why the original Yoni eggs were Jade stick to Jade.

Kathleen Shannon 39:56
And why why are they Jade and I even have like a jade is Going from my vagina to my face. I have like a jade roller. What's that doing for me?

Hibiscus Moon 40:04
Me too. It beautifies the skin. It's known for bringing about a healthy glow. It's been used since ancient times. But even if you go Yeah, right, whatever, you are stimulating your lymphatic drainage system and your capillaries, so even if you just want to look it from that point of view, all around, it's a good thing to do. I've got a jade roller too. I've heard the Rose Quartz rollers are the new things. So I want to check those out. And back to the Yoni egg, and I'm no expert on the Yoni egg or anything like that. But Jade is known for being a mineral that enhances and invites in good health, and strength and vitality. And the whole purpose of that is to bring health strength and vitality to the keto muscles, right. So plus, it's a safe mineral. So they've been using it for 1000s of years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Right?

Kathleen Shannon 41:00
Totally. Let's let's bring this back to the creative entrepreneur the

Emily Thompson 41:05
one more nerd quiet, okay. Okay, so one more nerd question. So something that I run into often and I especially see this on Instagram a lot and especially like, those crystal accounts with, you know, 10s of 1000s of followers with all these people, like people will get in there and get a little ranty sometimes about about responsibly harvesting crystals from the earth and this is something that I think about a lot is you know, as I'm buying crystals to sell an almanac, especially, like I don't want to be responsible for the depletion of resources. However, my own mindset has shifted around this idea of Mother Earth is creating these beautiful things that have the ability to like help and heal human energy anxiety levels, even perhaps and you know, really agree vitality and health. It's my somewhat belief that the earth is probably okay with it, with the crystals coming out and being spread around the top of the earth as opposed to under the earth.

Kathleen Shannon 42:12
But surely there's a way to do it response if

Emily Thompson 42:15
there is I don't want children in the mines for sure. Like there are tons of things around responsibility, but I want to ask specifically you around what do you think about crystals being dug out in completely responsible ways?

Hibiscus Moon 42:33
Okay, so I ranted about this on my blog A while ago because Okay, hopefully I'm not going to get too ranty here. I'm not okay. So I'm there. There are miners out there who are irresponsible straight up, it happens, you know, they're greedy, they're blasting some crystals out of the ground that didn't used to happen there. Some areas are blasting specifically just to get specific minerals out of the ground. Okay. And collectible crystals, I'm talking about that, okay, because there are ores, where they're collected for economic purposes. Most crystals that we like to collect, you know, like the fluorites and carnelian, or whatever the those blue minerals, I was talking about those copper derivatives, most of them are byproducts to huge or operations. So they're there to mind something else like copper or silver. And these minerals that they're finding alongside it are byproducts of that or, okay. So they're just like, there's something called the miners lunchbox, so the miners would come to work and they're there to mine the silver and they're mining the silver, but at the same time, they're finding all these fantastic mineral collector's pieces, and they'd put them in their lunch boxes, and then sell them off at the gem shows. Okay, I think there is nothing wrong with responsibly mining minerals. You know, I've like I said, I've been in mind in a couple of places, and you're getting down and dirty and scratching it the earth and pulling crystals out of the earth. And I do feel like it's a gift from Mother Earth to us. You know, like, there's so much more within her crust, and lower. In some places, there's these pockets that we're never going to find in our lifetimes that are they're growing, it's all part of the rock cycle. Okay. Now, what we should be mindful of is the huge blasting that we're doing for blood diamonds and the ores that we use in all of our technology. So we're all of us that were listening and watching right now you know, those of us that are tuning in to this podcast, we're all contributing to that. And so the thing that you want to do is because there's I forget the exact oars, a gold is one of them. Titanium I believe and tan tm i think is the other one. That that is the big one that Want to watch out for those of the places where they're blasting out scarring the planet? there, there's not fair practices happening for the people that are working at these mines. And it's a huge industry, it's huge. So when you go to buy your laptop, your smartphones, you want to check to see is the provider the person that you're not the person, the company that you're purchasing from? Are they being mindful about where they're mining and how they're mining their minerals, because I'm telling you, you know, these carnelian 's and things like you know, the the byproducts, the rubies now even those are byproducts, the main thing that they're going for is to satisfy our hunger for technology. So that's where we really need to look.

Emily Thompson 45:49
And this, I think, is where the irony lies. We're all those people ranting on Instagram about people with pretty courses are just using their or rich technology to rant about something that is relatively irrelevant to the thing that the problem actually is.

Hibiscus Moon 46:08
That's exactly right. That's for the most part. The case. Like I said, there was a few rare cases where some places they're mining specifically just for that mineral, but for the most part, it's it's a byproduct is to a way bigger issue. way bigger problem. Sure. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

Kathleen Shannon 46:27
Yeah, you got to create a bunch. Okay, back to creative entrepreneurs and small business owners who want to integrate crystals into their work in life. What are some good ways that they can do that? So is it and maybe we can get into specific crystals that are good for specific reasons, I brought some Can I show them perfect? Yes. Okay. Okay. So, but describe them to for our listeners who are just listening. So let's say I'm wanting to get a lot of productive work done, and I'm sitting here at my computer, should I set a crystal at my desk? Can I set it near my computer? Is it going to impact? Is it gonna affect my computer? Could it make my computer run slower? This is a genuine concern, because I feel like my energy this is kind of off topic. But I feel like my energy sometimes messes with electronics a little bit. So I don't need anything else jumping in and messing with them.

Hibiscus Moon 47:22
Yeah, no, totally, I get that. And honestly, this isn't going to be real neat, and easy and practical here, because I don't like keeping most crystals near my computer. I'm kind of a, you know, I'm into bio hacking and stuff. And I'm kind of very aware of the electromagnetic radiation coming off of things and not amplifying Wi Fi even turn it off when I'm sleeping. So I only have crystals around my computer that I feel are going to neutralize that electromagnetic energy. And that's going to be anything that's iron bearing. So I have Black Tourmaline near my laptop at all times. I also have this shung guide sphere near my laptop at all times. And Black Tourmaline is really gorgeous. It's very black, it's shiny, and it grows shiny. It'll have these little spindly pieces in it. Sometimes they're kind of shorty. And it might have like some terminations at the end. And that's a great crystal just in general for neutralizing negativity in general, whether it's people's energy, or its energy from a laptop, or some kind of electronic device, The shung Guide is almost pure carbon. There's some kind of shung guide that's known as noble shung, guide and, or elite, and it's almost silvery, and it's very, very pure. And that's really good to have near your electronics or near your router, something like that to neutralize that electromagnetic field. But back to kinds of crystals that we want to use for creative entrepreneurs of which I am one, I have certain favorites, but I don't keep them near my computer. So what I'll do is, sometimes I'll have I'll keep them in a little bowl nearby while I'm planning or to inspire me while I'm doing certain things. If I have them near the computer for a short amount of time, that's okay, I just don't line them up around my computer and keep them there at all times. Okay, so one that I really like is Citrine. This is like a yellow two iced tea or champagny colored crystal. A lot of Citrine on the market though, is what is known as baked Citrine. Or it's actually Amethyst that they baked, turn it orange and it turns a bright orange and I don't like working with that one anymore. I used to but now I've switched to the natural Citrine and most natural Citrine comes from the Congo or from Brazil. And this is a stone that in the ancient times even it's known as The merchant stone. So it's one that invites in prosperity, money into the business revenue into the business keeps you in the black. And so this is one that I really like. It also is good for inviting and creativity, too. So,

Kathleen Shannon 50:17
okay, I have a question before you go much further, as far as working with these crystals, if this natural Citrine is inviting in prosperity, how is that actually happening? So it's affecting our body? And then does that just impact the decisions that we're making and making us work in a more prosperous way? Or is there something different going on?

Hibiscus Moon 50:39
Okay, unfortunately, I don't have the answers to that. That is like one of those things where you just say, just because because it does, because we've known for a long time that it does. And I've experimented like with using the recently the baked and the baked Amethyst, kind of Citrine. And then switching it out to this natural Citrine. I sold a house because of this that didn't want to sell and didn't want to move. And I switched out to using a crystal grid with just this. And I'm telling you, Kathleen, it works like a charm every time. So some things we just don't have explanations for maybe there is one out there, you know, some of these crystals, there is a direct explanation, like for example, le pidilite. Le pidilite is a lithium rich mineral. Okay, and it's a crystal that is known for helping us to sleep for calming us down for balancing our emotions. And what's the mineral that we use for helping to balance emotions in psychology? And that's exactly, exactly. So some of them have a direct correlation. And some of them you know, it's just sometimes I think, also it's a color frequency. So sometimes I think the color frequency has a lot to do with it. Like for example, another one that I would highly recommend for creative entrepreneurs is carnelian, which is a bright, vibrant orange type of quartz. And that orange color is known as being a color. I mean, how many times do you talk to psychologists and they'll say that orange is a color of creativity, paint a space orange if you want to foster creativity. And orange also happens to be the color that's associated with the sacral chakra, which is the chakra about four inches below your navel. And it's the chakra that's associated with if it's in good balance means that you have a lot of creative, juicy, energetic flow to your being. So carnelian is great if you need a creativity boost in your work.

Kathleen Shannon 52:48
What else what other crystals like what if you want to manifest more of your goals? goal setting, let's see. Or Yeah, even just goal setting in general.

Hibiscus Moon 53:01
Okay, I actually brought this for another reason because this is fluoride fluoride is this happens to be a rainbow fluoride, which means it's got purple, it's got white, it's got turquoise, it's got green, it's gorgeous. If you see the sunlight you see these actual rainbows in it is seafoam green. It's really pretty color. And you can use you can work with any color of fluoride say you just have a green fluoride that's okay to fluorine is great for decision making and focus. But it's also great for goal setting. I didn't bring it for that purpose. But since you asked that question, it's a really good one because I'll actually pull it out whenever I'm doing my planning for the year I like to plan out my business for the whole year in advance. And I'll pull fluoride in every single time because it really helps me to set those goals, make those decisions. It's also a good one if you're doing any kind of studying too.

Kathleen Shannon 53:54
You will need that one for our next CEO day. Okay, I have a question because you're showing us a bunch of these crystals and some of them are shaped like palm stones that are smooth and you can hold in your palm. Some of them are very natural. They look like they maybe just came out of the earth and some of them are shaped into points like little pyramids. Can you tell us how the shape of the crystal does that affect anything? Or is it just another cool fun preference thing?

Hibiscus Moon 54:23
It is a cool fun preference thing. Definitely, you know, go with what you're intuitively pulled to do. However, I will tell you I prefer whenever possible to work with a natural stone because it hasn't been tampered with. The energy hasn't been dampened. This is how the earth grew it. This is how it's going to work best but sometimes for practical reasons. There's just not going to work. You know, say you want to protect yourself for the day. You want to neutralize negativity around you but I can't wear a big ol honkin Black Tourmaline around my neck that's gonna get me to the chiropractor later in the day. So sometimes you need Like a little pendant, something that's been carved into a certain shape. For example, fluoride, the reason I have a fluoride, I would call this a tower fluoride does not grow in natural points, it grows in a mass or it grows in octahedrons, which is like, if you had two pyramids stacked on top of each other, it does grow naturally is that it beautifully expresses the sacred geometry inherent in it. But if I want to use the energy of a tower to transmit an intention in the center of my crystal grid, now I know I'm getting really kind of this is this is kind of the stuff that I like to do, but I need a certain shape for that. And so they will carve pretty much any crystal into different types of shapes to do what you need, you know, so shung guide, again, collected in masses, but if you want it to express or transmit its energy in all different directions, a sphere is the ideal shape for that. So for practical reasons, sometimes you go with a shaped crystal or you just like it, and but like I said, if at all possible, I prefer to work with it in its natural state.

Kathleen Shannon 56:14
What crystal would you use, if you were speaking, like doing some public speaking and you're freaking out and just need to get calm and centered and articulate?

Hibiscus Moon 56:24
Okay, I really like the light blue stones for that. So Aquamarine or blue Lace Agate are really good choices for that, because they really helped to calibrate your throat chakra. And to express what you need to say in a way that's heard by others. And be articulate just like you said, They're great for that.

Kathleen Shannon 56:48
So is there a connection between the chakras and the colors of crystals that we choose? Can we really kind of do that if we want to take the next level of intuition to picking out a crystal but aren't we don't have an encyclopedia in our heads? You know, I know my chakras. So can I start using that whenever it comes to picking out crystals to work with?

Hibiscus Moon 57:06
Yeah, that's one that I recommend. That's a way that I recommend all the time, you know, to start out is if you know your chakra colors, there's seven colors to the rainbow, it starts with red at the base, and you go up to light violet at the crown. You can just work with the colors. And yes, definitely go to the crystals. Because it works every single time. There's a few exceptions, but you really don't need to worry about it. Like if you want to take the train with that yellow color. It's going to align with your solar plexus chakra, which is yellow. Yeah. Makes it easy.

Emily Thompson 57:39
Alright, what about storing your crystals? Is it like bad juju to put all of your crystals in one bowl together? Or do you need to keep them separated? Like how do you? How do you put your crystals around your house without having them all around you?

Kathleen Shannon 57:55
That's such a good question, Emily, because mine are all in one bowl. And now I'm just imagining all of their little energies like fighting with each other, like what if some of my crystals hate each other? And I've got them all in a bowl together?

Hibiscus Moon 58:09
Okay, I've heard this one a lot. There. I don't feel like any of them are fighting with each other. Or there's any kind of bad juju like, Oh, no, you didn't do that you didn't put Rose Quartz next to your fluoride, oh, my God, your house is going to, you know, get eaten up by a sinkhole. Now, I don't feel like any of that's the case. Except for, like I said before, those people who are too energetically sensitive for dealing with too many crystals in a room that you want to be mindful of If that's you, but if not, I've got my crystals everywhere. I mean, if you could see what's going on in my house, they're all over the place. Because I'm not affected by that. I do have a bunch in a bowl right here next to me, I don't worry about what crystals are together. The only time I would say to be mindful of that is say you have a space that you're working in, and you're trying to infuse it with a certain type of energy. You don't want two crystals that are going to kind of cancel each other out. So if you're trying to create a creative, energetic space carnelian would be a great choice. But I wouldn't couple I wouldn't fill it with current alien and say, le pidilite because like we said before, le pidilite is for relaxing and calming down. So it's kind of going to be which is it? Do you want to calm and relax? Or do you want to get energized and creative? You know, like, What are you trying to do here? It's going to be like a tug of war. You know what I mean? But nothing is going to explode.

Emily Thompson 59:33
Your crystals are not angry at each other Kathleen.

Kathleen Shannon 59:39
Well, I have learned so much and I want to learn more. So where do I go to find out more about you and your work? Oh, thank

Hibiscus Moon 59:47
you. So I have a sacred spaces like kind of a guide on creating a sacred space using crystals and I've created a really nice kit for that with a private video of my own sacred space and a meditation and an ebook that takes you through how to do it step by step. And you can just go to hibiscus moon gift.com to get that.

Kathleen Shannon 1:00:10
Thank you. And finally, what makes you feel most boss?

Hibiscus Moon 1:00:15
Okay, so I guess that I've trusted my crystal path wholeheartedly and just, you know, when the doors were opened up, walked through. And I realized huge transformations through working with crystals for myself. And it allowed me to create the exact reality I was seeking to manifest. And it's funny because at first, I didn't realize that's what I was setting out to do. I was just kind of walking through the doors that were being opened up for me through working with the crystals. So but now from doing that, I realized, wow, okay, that was the path I was supposed to take. And it's brought me to this amazing place through those transformations. And I get to be in service to others. And it's allowed me to create this amazing business that I absolutely love. And I get to witness these huge transformations for other people, too. So I guess that's, that makes me feel pretty boss.

Emily Thompson 1:01:15
doing the work. I like it. Thank you so much for coming to talk to us about all these crystals. I do have to say too, though, before we let you go, that you talked a lot about crystals, but you are also a total boss, like we didn't talk about your business at all, and what it is that you actually do for a living, I think we'll have to have you back to talk about some of that and some of the things that you're building and creating and the types of things that you're nurturing in your business. But for now, I super appreciate you coming and informing all of us about how to use crystals. First, we'll talk about business later.

Hibiscus Moon 1:01:53
I love to talk about business. So yeah, I'd be happy to do that. But thank you so much Kathleen and Emily, this was a ton of fun.

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