The Power of Community over Competition with Erica Courdae & Tasha L. Harrison

[00:00:00] Emily Thompson: Welcome to Being Boss podcast for creatives, business owners and entrepreneurs who want to take control of their work and live life on their own terms. I'm your host, Emily Thompson. And in this episode, I'm joined by my pals, Erica Cordae and Tasha Harrison to chat with me about what it's like to be business besties with someone or multiple someones who run similar businesses. Tune in

[00:00:23] while we explore the ins and outs of having authentic, vulnerable conversations with each other, as hosts of online communities and hear how it is that we share and support while never falling into the trap of competition or copying. You can find all of the tools, books, and links. We referenced on the show notes at www.beingboss.club.

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[00:01:51] This episode is going to be a good one today, as I'm joined by two friends who are no stranger to this show and the Being Boss community, Erica Cordae and Tasha Harrison. Erica Cordae is a trusted advisor to entrepreneurs and executive teams committed to shifting focus, power and resources in order to create more equity in their business and the world.

[00:02:12] She believes imperfect action is necessary to create meaningful social change and helps public figures engage in the work without fear of judgment. Tasha Harrison is a purveyor of filthy fiction with feelings and hosts of word maker's writing community where authors show up to do the actual writing work.

[00:02:33] You can hear more from both of these bosses in past episodes of the Being Boss podcast, by finding them on our website at beingboss.club/guest.

[00:02:44] We're literally not even getting yet. We cannot stop giggling everyone. Welcome to this ridiculous episode of the Being Boss podcast. Tasha and Erica, welcome. I'm so glad you are here.

[00:02:57] We are going to try really hard to do this. We're just going to try hard to do this. We got this, we got this you're sure. Okay, perfect. To get us started. Let's do a really quick intro yourself. Just so everyone knows who is who Erica. You are first on my screen have at it.

[00:03:16] Erica Courdae: Hey, I am Erica Cordae. If you are in the Being Boss community, you may have been in there and had conversations with me.

[00:03:23] I am a diversity, equity and inclusion coaching consultant. I am also the host of the Pause and The Play podcasts, where myself and my business partner, Indi. And I talk about visibility branding and all things that intersect with DEA.

[00:03:39] Emily Thompson: Wonderful Tasha you next.

[00:03:42] Tasha L. Harrison: Hi, I'm Tasha L. Harrison. I am a romance author and it also hosts a writing community called work makers.

[00:03:49] I'm also in the Being Boss community. And, I'm not sure I've done anything of note except

[00:03:55] for the absurd.

[00:03:57] Erica Courdae: You did not.

[00:03:59] Emily Thompson: I mean, I think your absurdity is of note.

[00:04:03] Erica Courdae: Yes.

[00:04:05] Tasha L. Harrison: Call me the mascot.

[00:04:06] Emily Thompson: Indeed, indeed. Perfect. I'm so glad that you were both here. I was talking to Erica recently and I was like, I really want to find an excuse to get the three of us on a podcast together, what you got.

[00:04:20] And one of the things that came up for her was we could talk about, what it's like us all running the same business. And I was like, what do you mean? She's like, we run communities. I was like, oh, I forgot about that. We sure do. And I think this is a really great podcast idea. One of the foundations of Being Boss,

[00:04:42] I mean, literally we were founded on this sort of principle or the story of Kathleen and I were business besties running similar, but different businesses. There was definitely some overlap and we were having conversations about what it meant to do the work that we were doing, and it turned into this podcast.

[00:05:00] And so a basis of what we do here, and really a huge part of our community is this idea that we can do business better and have more fun. And all of these things, if you cultivate community and find business besties. But a lot of times people get stuck with this idea of like, well, I only know other photographers or I only know other interior designers.

[00:05:26] And they think that blocks them from being friends with them and not the case. So my hope here is for us to share this conversation where we talk about what it's like for the three of us to have communities to have a very similar business model, at least part of our business model. And it be so not a thing that I literally forgot about it.

[00:05:50] Erica Courdae: I mean, that's the beauty of that right there. Right? Yeah.

[00:05:55] Emily Thompson: Totally forgot about it. So let's start though, [00:06:00] maybe with like a little setup for our relationship so that people can see sort of where we're coming from and how we've gotten to this place. Mostly how did we meet. I don't even know where to start.

[00:06:11] Maybe Tasha, actually, you started this whole thing. You.

[00:06:16] Tasha L. Harrison: Okay.

[00:06:18] Maybe, I am what you call an O G Being Boss club member. I was listening to the podcast, probably starting in the second year you guys had it. A friend of mine named Kate at the time was really into it. And she was like, you need to listen to this podcast.

[00:06:35] And I was like, okay. And then immediately became obsessed. And then, we went to the Being Boss Miami, vacation. And that was when we all met in person. And I decided that, I was going to make one or both of you, my friends. You didn't know that. So some spell casting.

[00:06:57] It's fine. And, then proceeded to make that happen. Well, my first bell was like, y'all are going to say my name every time we do like a Being Boss podcast, like life.

[00:07:09] Emily Thompson: Oh my God.

[00:07:10] It happens. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, Tasha is extra magical. I don't know if you guys have picked up on that, but I do actually think you told me in Miami that you said that we were going to be your friends.

[00:07:22] And then I remember being like, what the hell is wrong with this one?

[00:07:28] Tasha L. Harrison: It was like, yep. We're going to be friends. And then by the third Being Boss trip, I was like, are we friends, Emily? And you were like, yes. What do I need to do to prove that we're friends?

[00:07:39] Emily Thompson: Yes. Right. So Miami was in 2016. So this has been, oh my God.

[00:07:46] How long has that? Six years. Wow. That is wild. That is absolutely wild. So decades.

[00:07:52] Tasha L. Harrison: Oh my goodness.

[00:07:55] Emily Thompson: I cannot believe it. So we've been friends for awhile. I guess we got real close, close. When we were became Marco Polo friends, I think is when it really started happening. And then in August of 2019, you and I and Kate were at a podcasting conference together and we all went to a session on DEI in the podcasting world or something.

[00:08:22] It was very important. What really came out of it for us as we walked away with an Erica friend, right. You want to pick it up from there?

[00:08:31] Erica Courdae: So I remember that being, and it still feels like that was one of those, conferences that I went to that felt like in so many ways, it was a, like a very pivotal moment.

[00:08:42] Like that was where I made a lot of connections that was that point where I had really put my stake in the ground of like, this is what I do. I've been talking about the same things for a while, even when I was in a whole different industry and really claiming being a speaker. And that was [00:09:00] what y'all were witnessing was the first time that I was actually purposefully speaking in public.

[00:09:06] And the beauty of it was that a lot of people were like, oh, you know, you're going to be nervous. And I was like, but I don't feel nervous. So like, I'm that person that I don't get nervous. I don't feel afraid or scared, but yet at the same time, it was like, I had created big shoes to fill for myself. And so in my head, I was like, I sure hope this is coming out the way I think this is because my brain sometimes move real fast and I'm hoping my mouth catches up.

[00:09:31] So

[00:09:32] Emily Thompson: I recognize that feeling. Yeah.

[00:09:35] Erica Courdae: So I knew that from what I was getting, it seemed like people were picking up what I was putting down. And if I remember correctly, I said something and I think Tasha asked some questions or something. And I was like, oh, I think I like her. I wasn't sure she was asking the questions.

[00:09:57] Whenever you're speaking to a group, you always have those questions that you hope somebody asked Tasha did that. And beyond I was like, I got the and I just remember the school sound really weird y'all but if y'all have met Emily, you understand, I just remember this small person coming up with this big energy and almost just kind of like having this look and sliding me the business card and kind of wasting.

[00:10:29] Emily Thompson: May I look you'll, as she's saying this, her arms are out like she's float. Like I love that you have that vision of me a hundred percent.

[00:10:37] Tasha L. Harrison: I remember her coming up and just be like, we were, we were kind of like the background singers and Emily just came up like,

[00:10:44] Emily Thompson: Hey girl, Hey, I feel like,

[00:10:46] Yeah, I do remember giving you a business card.

[00:10:49] Cause like I'm not trying to take up all your time. I'm not here to like, you know, I just want you to be like, Hey, call me later.

[00:10:56] Erica Courdae: And that was kinda what it was. And it was like, I remember being, [00:11:00] like, I knew that this was you were someone like, okay, I want to connect with this person. Cause when you go to these things, you have like pockets full of business cards.

[00:11:08] And this was the card that stayed in the pile that I knew I wanted to reconnect with. And the interesting thing about it was while I was gone, I really wasn't on social media. And I came back to people being like Being Boss shouted you out. And I was like, okay,

[00:11:26] Because the beauty is for me was that at that point, I still in a lot of ways and still am not, was not indoctrinated into online in the way that like I would fan girl over people or I would create this aura around them. That wasn't real because people just kind of made them larger than life. So I was like, I'm not sure who this is.

[00:11:47] I'm not sure why you're like doing this weird thing right now. And I was like, oh, okay. I get it now. But I had, I didn't have that reference before. So when I met Emily, I met Emily. I didn't meet, you know, the person formerly known as half of the boys. I didn't think

[00:12:09] she was just, she wasn't assembled in like, and so I, but I thought that was helpful because I didn't, I met two of you with humans. Yeah. Not what people projected about you, not what they wanted to be believed about you, not the persona that people craft around, what you do. I met two humans. Yeah, sure. Oh, and that made a difference.

[00:12:35] Emily Thompson: I love it. How do we all end up? Okay. I remember this. I, I, I know this answer, so I actually don't remember how I got on Marco Polo with you, Erica, except it might have been Alt summit. When we met up there, there was, I feel like there was an exchange of phone numbers or something, and we ended up on Marco polo together.

[00:12:53] I think because we met up at that conference.

[00:12:56] Erica Courdae: And it was after that, that we were having the [00:13:00] conversation because Being Boss could not go to NOLA.

[00:13:04] Emily Thompson: That's right. I invited you to come speak at the conference and then it was like, actually, nevermind, you can't come because no one's going right. That is right.

[00:13:13] Okay, perfect. So we'd, I was Marco Polo friends with each of you separately. If you guys are not familiar with the Marco polo app, Kathleen and I have been talking about it for years, we're still like, it's my favorite way to, I don't call I don't text I'm Marco polo, just so we're all clear there. So I was talking to you separately on Marco polo and in August of 2020, I went to Denver for crystal show and I was talking to you both about crystals and what was going, and you were both like, you have to show me everything.

[00:13:42] And I was like, but can I just put you both in the same market polo group, because it's going to be easier to show you once then to show you each individually, twice. And you're both like, absolutely. And then the rest is history.

[00:13:54] Erica Courdae: Wow, because that one included rainbow obsidian.

[00:13:59] Emily Thompson: Now those tiger iron Palm stones.

[00:14:01] Tasha L. Harrison: Well, the tiger.

[00:14:03] Then you get some garment from that one too. Erica? No.

[00:14:10] Was that the Ruby one? Nope.

[00:14:11] Erica Courdae: No. The Ruby was later the record keeper. See, we can talk about crystals all day.

[00:14:16] Tasha L. Harrison: This is how we're marking time.

[00:14:18] Emily Thompson: That's all we got the crystals for sure. So what I really want to do there is just sort of share what this looks like.

[00:14:25] It's, you know, it's been a friendship based on, I think mutual interests. We were all at podcasting conferences, right? Like consuming or doing or whatever it may be, making sort of intentional places to meet up and, or connect and to stay connected along the way. I even remember like early 20, 20 stuff, like navigating the beginning of the pandemic.

[00:14:52] Especially you Erica, like having some conversations about the book, are we doing, how are we going to make this work? And, and [00:15:00] so being really intentional about staying connected together, bringing it together, like all three of us, and then really we just talk crystals. You y'all most of the time, but we also do talk a lot of business.

[00:15:14] It's often that one of us will pop in and be like, oh, you have this thing. Like, you can like ask me some questions, help me figure this out or whatever it may be. And so it is about like community stuff, but it's also podcast stuff or just like weird stuff we see in the news or like current events that we want to talk about.

[00:15:32] Just friends talking about everything, but we're also business owners who have cultivated these relationships amongst ourselves, or we can come and talk about business just as much and as easily as we can talk about crystals. Did I miss anything there? Like what, what do we talk about?

[00:15:52] Tasha L. Harrison: Y'all be talking about astrology and I'll just be listening to.

[00:15:55] Erica Courdae: I'm trying to get there, but I'm like [00:16:00] tarot.

[00:16:04] Emily Thompson: Yeah. Lots of parenting stuff. Plenty of food for sure. There. So really the whole gamut, the whole gamut of things to talk about more or less, so. Okay, perfect. That's what I really wanted to set the stage with. Let's talk about what it looks like to talk about business together because we do very intentionally pop in occasionally and just talk business, actually have a couple of maybe hidden questions around this in a second.

[00:16:30] But let's talk about our individual communities. And I want anyone who's listening to this to consider what this looks like for your business. So again, if you're a photographer or interior designer or a life coach or a Yogi or an artist or whatever, like we're going to be talking about our shared revenue model of online community, but this can be applicable across any, and every industry, this is not just online community stuff.

[00:16:56] So let's do like a quick sort of intro, I guess, re intro to communities. Tell me about your community. Let's do who it's for why and how does it fit into your business model? Tasha? I'll make you go first this time.

[00:17:18] Tasha L. Harrison: Okay, great. Who's it for it's for a veteran in inspiring authors who struggle to find time or to make time to write.

[00:17:30] So the whole group is based on just doing the writing work. There's lots of other stuff that we include, like, you know, the business of writing and craft and all that, but mostly it's just to bring everyone to their seats and behind the keyboard to get some writing done.

[00:17:45] Emily Thompson: And how does that fit into your business model?

[00:17:49] Tasha L. Harrison: Well, I started it because I needed to have accountability. I've been a member of writing groups before and, for years I've been whining about wanting to have another one after [00:18:00] that one dissolves and everybody kept telling me, you make group. And I was like, well, I just want to be in one. I don't want to run one.

[00:18:09] And eventually it just got to the point where I was like, you know what? I can't not run one. Like I really need to have other people to write with. So I started a challenge and then the challenge became a, like a quarterly thing. And then the quarterly challenge became a writing group. And how did it fit my business model?

[00:18:26] It's allowed me to write more words. I've been way more productive as a romance author. Like I used to be a one book a year person, and now I'm two to three.

[00:18:36] Emily Thompson: Okay. Hold on. That's a adorable, you are. Oh girl. How many books do you write last year?

[00:18:43] Tasha L. Harrison: Actually, I only wrote one book last year. It took me. I was booked out last year.

[00:18:47] Emily Thompson: Okay. Okay. Because how many books you write in 2020? Okay. Also, it is March 8th. As of recording this, how many books have you written this year? I've written two books. Okay. Okay. Just so everyone hears that

[00:19:02] Erica Courdae: I was going to race tuck Tufts,

[00:19:05] Emily Thompson: right? We know how productive you are. And if this increased your productivity, that is like the understatement of the year.

[00:19:11] You have definitely used this space to cultivate an environment in which you are incredibly productive and are writing so many books and you created, a community that sort of holds you accountable a little bit, that you can give that back in. You're also making money. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:29] Erica Courdae: The best part of your writing quality.

[00:19:31] So let's acknowledge that too. It's not, I'm putting out just to put out, like, honestly,

[00:19:36] Tasha L. Harrison: I'm going to be 100% with you. Like before having the community. I was so focused on, publishing, like getting a book done, getting it out, that I was probably rushing through some stories and not giving all I could give to the story, but now I have time to sit down and take time with it and also have a group of people I can just brainstorm with, like during our breaks and just be like, look, I hit this plot point.

[00:19:58] This character is not doing what I need them to do. What do I do? And we can all brainstorm, which has really, really helped a lot.

[00:20:05] Erica Courdae: You're welcome, Tasha, for creating your own commercial for your own community there, you didn't even realize,

[00:20:13] I mean, that's yeah, that's huge.

[00:20:17] Emily Thompson: It is. And I love, I love watching you do it. I love that you've done it in this way. And I also feel like this is going to turn into a commercial for just like, literally join a community, get some accountability, find your people, one way or the other, if you're a writer, word makers,

[00:20:36] Tasha L. Harrison: Part of the reason why it works so well is because for the longest time people have portrayed writings like a solitary vocation.

[00:20:44] Like you have to be like alone in a room with your words and like some whiskey, and that's the only way it's gonna work. Those things don't actually work,

[00:20:54] especially not the whiskey.

[00:20:57] So I think it just, it, it made it easier for me to be able to be like, you know, look I need help do y'all need help. And once I said it out loud, I had a whole lot of takers.

[00:21:10] Emily Thompson: I love that. All right, Erica, tell me about your community for us, everybody.

[00:21:17] Erica Courdae: So pause when to play the community. In a lot of ways, it was conceptualized before, the social uprising of 2020, but that definitely brought it to the forefront for a lot of people. We created it as a space for imperfect allies, people that are seeking to reconsider their normal and want to be able to do it in community with others that are doing similar things.

[00:21:48] We actually, it's funny story. We actually used to say people that were like-minded and were like, we don't want people to be like-minded. We want people to be of different minds, but to be United in their values and the impact that they want to make. So we talk about visibility, how it is that you show up in utilize your platform, your privilege, the types of impact that you want to make in the world, leaving behind a legacy, bringing in diversity, equity and inclusion.

[00:22:13] And the fact that DEI is not something that you do, it's how you do all things. And so it's been for people that are trying to bring it into their lives, people that are, they work for someone else, but they are starting their own business. And some are fully established business owners. And it really is a nonjudgmental space to be open, to ask the questions that you can't in other places.

[00:22:39] And to know that it's safe because you've decided to save not because I got on a sales page and told you it was safe because we all know that.

[00:22:47] Emily Thompson: It's a little bit of a red flag. Actually.

[00:22:52] Erica Courdae: It really is a safe space. Now it ain't

[00:22:55] Emily Thompson: the same, probably ain't your sales page. Now [00:23:00]

[00:23:01] Tasha L. Harrison: go lie. I can't even remember if safe is on my sales page, actually.

[00:23:06] Erica Courdae: I'm going to check that well, and it's it's, it, it was created in order to remind people that you could have these conversations that you were afraid to have, you could connect with others, and that you didn't have to be afraid to do these things. And so it's amplifying that opportunities that are shared all those things.

[00:23:26] It plays into the business model as kind of being it's an extension of the podcast. The podcast started on its own, accidentally. It was an audio blog posts that became a whole thing. And, The community really is where people go when they are either not ready or we don't have the capacity for, what we say two to one work, being that as Indi and I working with them, or they work with us and they really want that community element.

[00:24:00] So the podcast gives you that place to kind of get a feel for us, whether or not this is where you want to be. I cuss, I'm gonna take you to church. I'm gonna do all these things, even though I'm not religious. And so you need to figure out whether or not I'm the person that you want to, work through your imperfect allyship with.

[00:24:17] And if so, then from there you either kind of decide, yes, I want to be in the community. This is where I want to be. And I want the community, or I want the community and I want to work with you on my own as well.

[00:24:29] Emily Thompson: I like it. I don't think I realized that. When your podcast was an accident and that your community came from it, because that also means that Being Boss and Pause and play have very similar origin stories, which makes us even more similar than even I thought, which makes this conversation even better.

[00:24:46] Erica Courdae: Oh, yeah, it was, it was an accident India and I were having a conversation and it was a blog post and somebody was like, you know, you got podcast. I was like, shit. Right. And what happened was the podcast was there and the services kind of started to show up of people wanting to work with us, because what we found out was that people would, would work with us separately.

[00:25:10] And then we would both be like, I can't talk to you about what I'm doing and you can't talk to me about what you're doing, but they clearly are not doing what I know you told them to do. And sort of, they work with both of us. We can figure this out together, which is where we ended up actually doing two to one services so that we could bring those things together.

[00:25:27] And the community ended up being existing because there wasn't something that existed like this. And there wasn't something that existed that was not simply focusing diversity, equity and inclusion on white women that wanted to figure out how to be in a safe space with one another. And we want it to get outside of that.

[00:25:49] It was about figuring out how to get you out of your bubble, but also understanding what imperfect allyship actually means. And being in action with, let's not just talk about this stuff. So we created what we found was not existing and complimented what we were doing because we found too many people were not talking.

[00:26:08] There were opportunities being missed. There was money being missed. There were visibility opportunities being missed and putting them in the same room. Hey, you know, that person got a podcast, right? Hey, you know that person over there does the things that you've been looking for. Right. Let's do this.

[00:26:22] Emily Thompson: Perfect. Okay. So that's Erica's you'll know, Mon you guys podcasts Being Boss podcast listeners, community for creative business owners, small business owners who want to enjoy the benefits of doing business together. So basically a large scale version of literally what's happening on this podcast today, more or less, you're seeing what it looks like to show up and talk business and, and how you can work through the things together in a space with a community platform.

[00:26:53] And then we do a lot of events and things, both, both virtual and literally starting to do in-person y'all and I'm so excited.

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[00:28:31] Emily Thompson: So three businesses running online communities. A lot of times people will fear that once you get into your start talking about things like things get messy. Maybe there are things you don't want to share, which is actually what I want to now. Do I want to start. Hmm. Hmm. Now let's start somewhere else.

[00:28:53] Let's start with the kinds of things that we talk about when we're talking about our communities. So I asked you all to come up with one example of a time that you have come to the group to talk about your community, just to give everyone listening an idea of, of the kinds of things that literally are being talked about amongst three people who run a very similar business.

[00:29:15] Erica, why don't you go first?

[00:29:19] Erica Courdae: I think, I think one of the things that has come up for me was that, obviously there Being Boss was more established and so there were definitely pieces of me kind of seeing how you having to remind people like, Hey, I've trademark this don't come do this. Reminded me of what to do.

[00:29:43] Before I had, things like imperfect allyship trademark. But I also think that, kind of coming in and figuring out like

[00:29:57] how to care for myself, if that makes sense, because what I do can put me in a place where if I'm not careful, I will minimize my own feelings, or put myself in a place of burnout in order to support others. And so it's like,

[00:30:13] Tasha L. Harrison: [00:30:13] Hope. Yeah, you're right. I feel like you have come to us many times with like just personal boundary things.

[00:30:22] Emily Thompson: Right. And we've talked many times about how the work that you do is such an emotional load. Yes. Right? Like unlike anything. Probably 98% of the people listening to this podcast can even relate to. Right. And so you have to do self care on the next level and have boundaries on the next level enabled or to enable you to show up in your spaces, whether it's those two to one spaces or, you know, your two to many, community situation.

[00:30:53] So yeah, we have talked about those sorts of sort of personal energy management and boundary.

[00:31:01] Erica Courdae: Yes. And this is where I also want to be clear that like, this is what I don't think that everybody understands about friendships. Friendships don't necessarily always mean you come in and you cross boundaries when it comes to things like confidentiality.

[00:31:17] So I don't come in and be like this person day of blah, blah, blah. I come in and I'm like, this is not fit.

[00:31:24] And why? I think that's so important is because there was a time in my life where I felt like there was that type of a level of transparency needed in order to have that friendship. And I actually don't think that's true. I actually think that having some boundaries of what you bring in, why, because you really have to ask yourself, like, does this add to the conversation?

[00:31:44] Do I, does anybody benefit from this level of verbal vomiting and being able to figure out, like, what am I actually looking for here is important because you know, like you said, the energy management part is a huge thing because bringing it back to crystals when I was like, I need to figure out what my crystal toolkit is.

[00:32:05] And Tasha was like, oh, actually it's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was like already bought those things with Emily. I was like, you already got it.

[00:32:14] Right. And it, sometimes part of it is just that being able to verbally process something and having somebody mirror something back or to be like, yeah, but you missed something because one of the words that I love about the conversations that we have is, and we're, we're not like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:34] But we'll say, yeah, I love that. And because it's not negating what came up, it's adding to, and I think that that's something that's really important.

[00:32:52] Emily Thompson: That was beautiful. And I, I will say one, as you were saying that you have never shared any names or like logistics, like legit Tasha's.

[00:33:08] Tasha L. Harrison: I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to be too.

[00:33:11] Erica Courdae: Okay.

[00:33:11] Emily Thompson: Well, there's also a very big difference, I think, between just in industry even. But no, you are very good about coming in and just sort of asking for the support that you need and that sort of situation, because Tasha and I both have communities we're able to understand on a different level, what it's like to hold that space, not just for like one-on-one clients or like, you know, a little bit like tens of people, hundreds of people in some cases.

[00:33:39] Right. And so we're able to offer up a little more insight or a little like Dort, some crystals as needed, right?

[00:33:52] Rituals rituals, crystals. Really just awful sayings. We say to each other that are very kind and true, but like also triggering and obnoxious.

[00:34:05] Tasha L. Harrison: This is how we know we're friends and really hurtful thing. It's, it'd be like,

[00:34:13] Emily Thompson: I literally pointed and yelled at Tasha at lunch the other day.

[00:34:17] Tasha L. Harrison: I was so funny. I wish I had a, got it. Like on record, like when she first said it just like Twitter.

[00:34:27] Emily Thompson: I didn't say it like this to literally many other human beings in my life, but legit,

[00:34:33] Tasha L. Harrison: the other accident kicked in all the way finger was out

[00:34:37] Emily Thompson: squinched up.

[00:34:40] Erica Courdae: And this Val makes me feel bad because then last year Tasha said something and I was like, you give a lot, but I need you to keep more. She was so, oh,

[00:34:51] Emily Thompson: that's the incredibly kind, but obnoxious thing that you say all the time,

[00:34:57] Tasha L. Harrison: the kicker is she needs to take her own damn advice in that way.

[00:35:02] Erica Courdae: I do. I do. That is why I recognize it cobbler without some interjection.

[00:35:07] Tasha L. Harrison: I'm fairly certain that's when, when I cried that time you got on my nerves.

[00:35:13] Emily Thompson: I love it. Okay.

[00:35:14] Next example. Tamasha or not? Yes. Tasha, you're Tasha Tasha for you. What is an example of something that you have brought to the group?

[00:35:25] Tasha L. Harrison: Well, compared to y'all like, I'm very much a baby in this whole building community thing, but no, no, no. Like I've been doing it for two years and y'all had, y'all had podcasts before.

[00:35:36] So like you have had a team to, you know, build your businesses with, and it's just, you know, it's been me. So, I'm fairly certain, I wind a whole lot in 2020 about holding space for community, how to create boundaries, how do I do this? And still be able to do my own work and all that. And you all were really helpful and, you know, helping me establish a way to [00:36:00] work within the community and to serve the people in my community without sacrificing too much of my own creativity and my own time.

[00:36:09] But yeah, that's pretty much.

[00:36:12] That was, that was, that was really what

[00:36:14] cemented it. Like, I probably would've shut down the community if it wasn't for y'all like how many times I've been like, this is it. I quit closing it and everything down close the doors it's over. I don't care. You're like, no, but,

[00:36:28] Emily Thompson: and then in case we will do a, but for sure, something else,

[00:36:35] Tasha L. Harrison: first of all, you don't mean that second of all, you know, so yeah, definitely helping me to establish, you know, how I can work within the community, how I could still get it to work with me and for me in some ways, but also to, be okay with it not being the thing that I created at the beginning to serve me in my, you know, my needs,

[00:36:59] Emily Thompson: the thing that comes up for me, even like to look at this through a different lens is I feel like one of the things that Erica and I have done within for you is it challenge you to think

[00:37:10] bigger with the thing that you created because you created it just for yourself. So you could write, but then getting like once you had that and it started growing, and you felt the weight of that because like that initial sort of purpose and structure wasn't working, it was like, well then what does it look like?

[00:37:30] Right. Let's think bigger let's plan, bigger. Let's consider what it would look like to have someone come in and help you, or to involve more of your community members or whatever it may be. So it has really been a challenge of have, I think through my lens of getting you to think like differently, but also just bigger about the thing that you've created, because it does work.

[00:37:48] It's amazing. You just got to get out of your box sometimes.

[00:37:51] Tasha L. Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:54] Emily Thompson: Erica, anything to add to that one? It looks smirky up there. What are you thinking?

[00:37:59] I [00:38:00] know.

[00:38:00] Erica Courdae: No, I think as a whole, there is that place of reminding each other. Like what else is possible. Because I think, I think we try to think about what that is, but we can only see as far as we can see.

[00:38:16] And so when you have other people that are witnessing you just existing, you know, they're not watching you on a pedestal, they're not watching you perform. They're simply just watching you do what you do and they're able to reflect back, Hey, so you know that you're actually capable of more than what you have told yourself.

[00:38:36] You are, that you're limiting yourself too, because it's easy right now. And it is challenging sometimes to receive it, but it's challenging to feel comfortable enough to share that with somebody, because in some cases it's like, okay, well, you know, what does that mean for me? What does, you know, what am I, why am I saying like, there's so many things I think they can come up with it, but having a space that you can actually say, Hey, Hey go.

[00:39:05] Hey, so you know that thing that you had said, no, no, actually here's this and knowing that it's a safe space to say it, but it's also a safe space to respond. Even if that respond is to just come back and be like you was right.

[00:39:25] Tasha L. Harrison: And I think too part of it, what, what I really enjoy about this particular friendship, like, it would be really easy for me to be intimidated by y'all like to be.

[00:39:35] Because you're, I mean, I mean, well, truthfully, truthfully, truthfully, like, I mean, y'all some boss ass bitches, you've done some things that, you know, like, I, I feel like, like, oh, well I can't wait till I'm doing that. I can't wait. So, but it's never just like, oh, I can't do that. I will never be able to do that.

[00:39:56] Or looking at you or, or looking at Emily or Erica and being like, oh, well this is not something I can ever achieve. I always feel like I'm in a room with these bitches. So eventually it's going to rub off on me. So

[00:40:09] Erica Courdae: [00:40:09] Getting ready to say it well, but let's acknowledge also

[00:40:14] that we share opportunities with each other, whether that's other people that we know, whether that's, Hey, I have a platform and you're doing something.

[00:40:23] So how about you come do that thing here? And I think that that's important as well, because we're not just being like, I'm going to burn my friend on it's like, no, no, no. My friend is talented. This individual happens to be talented. And, and then my friend, so I don't have to go through the regular channels.

[00:40:41] I could just be like, you want to come do this thing. Right. And there's something to be said about creating a network in that way, but it went beyond just networking.

[00:40:50] I

[00:40:50] Emily Thompson: will also say to literally, just this morning we were on Marco polo and Erica now we're like Tasha, you've written two books this year.

[00:40:56] All I want to do is write a book this year, show us your ways. Right. So like, there's also like, it is very reciprocal in, in so many ways. I also want to point out. I remember, so we took the community tier of the Being Boss community free in August. And I remember shortly after Tashi coming in and being like, so tell me about that.

[00:41:15] Like, do you, did you like taking it free? Was it worth it? Should I do it? And as having like a very practical conversation of like one how that has worked out for us and you know, but also like what is our mission and vision for the community and how does this pricing structure affect that thing? And so really even sometimes getting incredibly practical and like into the money of it and the numbers of it and looking at like how different business strategies have affected the thing, and giving you sort of every bit of information that we could to help you decide if that was something you wanted to try or not.

[00:41:48] I think you didn't, you didn't like it. Right?

[00:41:51] Tasha L. Harrison: I hated it. Mostly because it established another, like I had to create content for another set of people who weren't actually in the functioning community and taking advantage of all the benefits of the full community. They were just on the free level.

[00:42:06] And, you know, I did it for one iteration of 20 came in five days. And then in January I was like, Hey, y'all this free levels. Want to go to go away so y'all can move up or you can move out. But that's the only options. And most of them, yeah.

[00:42:20] Emily Thompson: Yeah, so it didn't end up working sort of long-term. So we are literally getting in here and talking about like that kind of stuff as well, and sort of weighing some pros and cons of very like business strategy, nuts and bolts sort of situations.

[00:42:35] What is my example? I feel like we've had some behavioral things that we've chatted out together. Right? Some people in the community and not to say like, literally I can think of the two years that we've had the two plus two, two and a half, almost that the Being Boss community has been open this version of it.

[00:42:56] I feel like we've only had two conversations ever of like Chelsea that she'll say that comment, then we will like talk it out, figure out what we need to do next. And Erica would go in there and be passive aggressive and will love it.

[00:43:07] Erica Courdae: And just like, I enjoy this.

[00:43:13] Emily Thompson: Or whatever it may be. I feel like I'm often bringing.

[00:43:17] Moral situations too often. Like Erica is the most compassionate of all of us. If I ever need dilly, Tasha is gonna like duke gonna hit my level of just like fiery angst.

[00:43:30] Tasha L. Harrison: I don't feel like my, my first reaction is always like, oh right,

[00:43:34] Emily Thompson: burn it down. It's fun. And Eric is always like, yes. And let's stop and think about it, which is an underdog that I love.

[00:43:45] Erica Courdae: Like, you're the compassionate one. I'm like, no,

[00:43:49] Tasha L. Harrison: we'll get in there and be like, oh, well, I'm going to give my opinion on what you should do. But after I'm going to wait for Erica to see what she has to say,

[00:43:57] she's the more level-headed of us,

[00:43:59] because me and Emily are just going to react like angry.

[00:44:02] Emily Thompson: Yup.

[00:44:03] Immediately immediately. So those sorts of things, and also recommendations for like a couple of, events looking at like sourcing speakers and what books are you reading these days and all of those sorts of things. So really, really using the two of you as a resource for morals, because I lack them and, um,

[00:44:25] and eyeballs, because I don't consume things on the internet

[00:44:31] Erica Courdae: well, but you know, here's the funny part. You, we can have something that comes up that looks like it's in the news and we can end up having a, for anybody is familiar with Marco polo, 15 slides later, we have had this back and forth conversation about it.

[00:44:45] And it'll start going into, like we've had ones around, free speech. We've had ones around the housing market. We've had ones around interdependence in societies. Like these things will be like, here's this thing. And then before we realized that it's. It has morphed into this own thing because now you're getting, you know, what, here's what I've done, or this is what I've experienced.

[00:45:07] Yeah. I don't like this thing. Well, what about this? And so there are these opportunities of, of educating one another and things that we don't know, but also getting these different perspectives because we have some similarities in where we are now and, you know, families of origin kind of growing up thing and how we work condition.

[00:45:26] And yet there's things that are very different. And so. None of those things similar or different create boundaries, which is really important. So whatever that conversation is that that conversation gets to be what it is. Yeah. And it gets to take on the life of its own and we let it happen, which I think is a beautiful organic thing.

[00:45:46] Tasha L. Harrison: Yeah. And Erica

[00:45:47] also has this habit of jumping in and, you know, letting the Scorpio come all the way out and challenging us late on a Friday, like ridiculous questions

[00:45:57] about our

[00:46:00] discussions, about our existence on this earth, or we move and breathe, like literally

[00:46:09] Emily Thompson: sweating, just thinking

[00:46:10] Erica Courdae: about it. Y'all just don't know I had one the other night.

[00:46:13] I'm still gonna bring it as low ass.

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[00:47:18] So here's really one of the things that I want to highlight here. I was actually in a Monday meetup for the Being Boss community yesterday, and this kind of came up, so a boss came in to the group and she was like, I don't, I don't have anyone else to like, bring this sort of question to no one in my life is a business owner and understands this.

[00:47:35] So like, here's the thing. We were all like, oh girl, that like, well, we have this. Yeah. And one of the things I said, and I say like, boss, friends are the best for. Because there is a level of self-awareness, there is a level of sort of breadth of perspective, and curiosity in the world that allows like, no matter whether you share an industry or not, that allows you to come together and have conversations, unlike I'm able to have with anyone else in my life.

[00:48:10] And that's not to say that my non boss friends aren't smart or great conversationalists or any of the, any of those things, but their breadth of experience, just isn't that of someone who was running a business, who was working for mission and impact, who, you know, is looking at growing a company or managing a community, or like doing those sorts of big things in the world, in bosses that creates a different kind of person.

[00:48:37] And so it's in those spaces that I most like to show up and have the like crazy off the wall conversations about things that are incredibly good and deep and like mind-bending, and sometimes make me sweat

[00:48:54] Erica Courdae: well, and it's a different level of access to context, because if I am having to talk with somebody about

[00:49:03] give back components that doesn't have a business. They like, excuse me, see what I mean? I gave to the red cross. I told them to put me on the donor list. I'm not sure what you mean right there, there's different things that are normal for us, that it does change your conversation. We've had multiple conversations around things like copyright infringement and in trademarks.

[00:49:29] And if you don't understand that, then there are things that will fly around in that conversation that keep it from being as fluid and succinct as it could be. There are things about online platforms that if you're not aware of them, it changes things. And just that awareness of like, I am trying to run an ethical business and my values come first and not like, so you, how much money you make?

[00:49:56] Like the primary,

[00:49:59] Tasha L. Harrison: that's a distinct difference as well. I also think that it's just a shorthand, you know what I mean? Like we have a shorthand with each other that if, if we're talking to non boss friends, so we have to do like a level of explaining, but we have like a common language that we can speak in and we don't have to, you know, like, well this means yada yada yada, and because of this blah, blah, blah.

[00:50:18] I mean, like, there are some differences in how, what our businesses are. And maybe sometimes we have to explain like my

[00:50:24] New things, but for the most part new

[00:50:26] ones, like we have a, we have a shorthand that we can speak in and it allows us to get deeper, faster than if we were trying to talk to someone who's not the business owner.

[00:50:38] Erica Courdae: Yeah. Well, and, and when you're talking with somebody that is a business owner, there's more empathy for what's happening. Cause when I talk to people and I've personally, I've experienced experiences for years, you work too much work, right? It's like you not just work more than you want me to work. But what I think is working, what you think is work is probably different any way.

[00:51:03] And so that whole thing of like you work too much or, you know, I don't know why you work in, so they insert thing here. That is a very different conversation with somebody that will happily work for someone else, for the rest of their life as compared to somebody that is like, I want to work for me and I will happen for somebody else when I feel like it.

[00:51:26] Emily Thompson: Yeah. Our problems are not relatable.

[00:51:31] Erica Courdae: No, it's not.

[00:51:34] Emily Thompson: Oh man. Oh, this is so good. Okay. Next question for us. I'm interested to hear your answers, but have you ever felt like there was something that you could not bring to this group? And it's thinking specifically about our communities, but also literally anything at all.

[00:51:48] And I don't like Erica smart. I'm going to make you go first.

[00:51:54] Erica Courdae: No, no. When it comes to our communities, I don't look at us as competition. And even when I was, more heavily in the beauty industry, I didn't look at people that did the same thing that I did as competition. So I've kind of had that type of mindset. And so it doesn't, it does it for foreign to me, but there is no part of me that feels like, I can't say this because if I say this or I ask this question and we give something to weigh in this, person's going to know, and they're going to go do the thing and steal my idea that it's toxic.

[00:52:29] Wow.

[00:52:30] Tasha L. Harrison: Who spends the expense, that much energy worrying about what somebody is going to steal from you. Because let me explain something to you. You want the only person who could do it the way you do it, they could steal the idea, but it's still going to be mediocre milk toast, watered down. It's not going to be what you could make.

[00:52:48] So I don't, I don't spend a whole lot of time worried about people copying. All right. It's the nature of the business. It just is, especially with online businesses, people are going to come in. I'll have people come into my community and immediately get out of the community and do something similar, but not as successful.

[00:53:05] Erica Courdae: And this is where in being in the beauty industry, we, and a lot of ways knew that if you had somebody that came in and worked with you as a subcontractor, if they were good, you knew they weren't going to be there long because they were going to go do their own thing. And it was whether or not they were going to become friendly competition or not.

[00:53:25] And this idea of somebody is stealing something that you weren't the first person to do, that you are not the only person to continue doing is foolishness to me anyway. But to know that that can happen in a friend group as somebody that was conditioned growing up, that women are not your friends, which is funny to me that I work with mainly women.

[00:53:48] I don't have that. I don't have any fear of, I can't ask this, this question because it's giving something away. I can't ask you this question because you're keeping trade secrets that I can't know. And from a human standpoint, I don't feel like I can't show up as me because I have had challenging moments in my life.

[00:54:08] And I have shown up with some of those. And again, I'll echo what I said earlier in that I have been on my own journey of really questioning what do I want to bring or share? Not because I'm not willing to share it or it's not important, but is it helpful? Or am I saying it just because I'm hurting, I just need to hurt in public with other people right now.

[00:54:28] And it's yes. And for me, knowing how much the wearing of the emotions on all body parts, not just my sleeve was such a thing. It made me very cognizant of like, is there a purpose for this? Because my energetic output has a cap at some point it's not infinite. And so really having to question, why am I putting my energy here has helped me to really process like this feels good.

[00:55:02] Do I want to bring something in here? That doesn't feel good to me? Do I want to bring it in? I'm like, don't want to bring this anywhere. No. I mean, but

[00:55:09] Tasha L. Harrison: isn't that what adult friendships are about? Like, I feel

[00:55:12] Erica Courdae: like should be, but you know, like I know it's not always, it's not.

[00:55:17] Tasha L. Harrison: And I do think that like when we're younger, we think that adult friendships are supposed to be like about spilling all of your, your emotions on your friends and crying together and having that big, you know, waiting to exhale moment where we all finally get our shit together and then drink wine and do the bus.

[00:55:33] I don't

[00:55:33] Erica Courdae: need the sheep

[00:55:34] Tasha L. Harrison: sheep. I don't need to do the bus staff. Well, you know what? The, no, this is not, that's slightly true. I do think that we get there, but also we are very cognizant of how much, where

[00:55:46] Erica Courdae: on brutal stays. Like we

[00:55:47] Tasha L. Harrison: don't, I don't think that I have any friendships now as an adult where I show up into the space and just dump and then, you know, don't feel some sort of, first of all, some, what do you call it?

[00:55:58] The

[00:56:01] Vulnerability hangover.

[00:56:03] Like I, if I do do that, I feel so yucky the next day. And then the next time I talked to him, like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to do that. You know what I mean? Like I just wanted, as I get older, I get, I find myself getting out of the habit of doing that. Only giving that to people who, I pay

[00:56:22] to take those, like, get to

[00:56:27] tell you your journal.

[00:56:28] And then when you're ready to talk about it, bring it to your friends. We can talk about it without it being so heightened emotionally, then you can it to your friends. And then, then it might be a learning experience for everyone, but it just is not. It's not a good place to be this wise, personal, any of that just come in and cry and be angry.

[00:56:49] Erica Courdae: But the piece that's so important about it is that I don't care if it's life or business. And please correct me if either one of you disagree. I don't think either one of you let me do this tonight. I don't think I do this to you too, to let anybody bring something personal or professional and that's it.

[00:57:05] It's like, okay. That's great. Now. What's the action. We're not going to sit in the emotion. We're not going to sit in this weird. I have not made a decision. I don't know what I wanna do. I'm just gonna, you know, be real, like who

[00:57:19] Tasha L. Harrison: call yourself out. You're the one who always trying to make somebody think something beyond like, I have a feeling like, let me, let me have a feeling.

[00:57:29] I'm a loud,

[00:57:30] Emily Thompson: right? I mean, we are very action-oriented. I feel like that's part of Being Bosses, right? We are incredibly action oriented. Like if you don't ever come here just wanting to process something, cause we're going to give you some homework.

[00:57:41] Erica Courdae: So what's next? What does that mean? And so, and sometimes maybe there's a, you know, existential reason, but it's like, okay, this happened, this sucked or this was great.

[00:57:53] And now what, like, what's the thing, that's

[00:57:57] Tasha L. Harrison: the best part about this friendship? Honestly, I don't have, like, I don't feel like you guys, let me walk. You always give

[00:58:02] Emily Thompson: me, I know I got time for that. We don't have time

[00:58:05] Tasha L. Harrison: to Wallace or either. That's why I'm so glad that y'all don't let me, cause it would be very easy to do so.

[00:58:11] Erica Courdae: Yeah. But I think if we sat back and really made a list of some of the things that we've challenged each other to do, that would be a lot of stuff. Cause it's like, okay. And, or let's talk this through and let's w what's the decision what's next? And I think that there's a, a beautiful piece there because so often people act like you can't be friends with someone that does similar things, let alone be women that do similar things because there's this lie that women can not be friends and have these other intersecting factors.

[00:58:47] And it's not, is it true for some people it's not true for everyone.

[00:58:52] Tasha L. Harrison: That's just so patriarchal, bullshit. They don't want us to get together because all women are witches. And if we get together and start doing some magic, everybody's right. [00:59:00]

[00:59:01] Emily Thompson: Facts facts. Right. And do you want to bring in this piece here though, of like one of the things that we have, because we have this relationship where we are talking about what we do and we have so many, you know, what's the common interests, sorry.

[00:59:18] That was fleeting there for a second. We've also found ways to incorporate each other in what we do, right. Are they're the same, but they're also complimentary, like we could keep what we do completely separate from each other, but Tasha has turned her entire community into crystal shoppers. I mean, kind of Erica too, which I love.

[00:59:40] But like having you guys on the podcast and in the community and part of events and I've been on, Eric has pod, like, you know, we're, we're doing things together because being in the same industries and maybe not industry, but having a very similar business model enables us to involve each other in the things that we do really easily.

[01:00:01] Like it's no thing for one of us to pop on somebody's podcast because we all do podcast or whatever it may be or come and do what you did once or like a pop into a zoom thing or whatever it may be, because we're all in it. It's really easy for us to be a part of each other's thing as well,

[01:00:23] which is cool.

[01:00:25] Okay.

[01:00:25] I feel like we just start wrapping this up. This has been literally a blast. I do Tasha. What is milk toast,

[01:00:34] Tasha L. Harrison: milk toast, milk toast plan display.

[01:00:39] Emily Thompson: You just, you said it earlier.

[01:00:42] Tasha L. Harrison: You never heard of milk toast.

[01:00:43] Emily Thompson: No, I that's interesting.

[01:00:46] Erica Courdae: Well, you know what? No,

[01:00:48] Tasha L. Harrison: no, no, not even salting characters. Cause salty

[01:00:51] Erica Courdae: has sold

[01:00:53] Emily Thompson: I'm Googling milk toast.

[01:00:55] I also did check the Being Boss, community sales page. The word safe is not on it anywhere, just so we know. Okay. Oh, why is milk toast an insult?

[01:01:07] Okay. It's actually defines a milk toast in I L Q U E T. I was thinking milk is in like boobs, as a timid meek and unassertive person. Okay, there you go. Perfect. Thank you. I learned something new today. Also a benefit of having some balls friends, especially when that's an author, you end up learning new words.

[01:01:30] Yes.

[01:01:31] Erica Courdae: There you go. It does throw around words. I'm like, I know

[01:01:38] Emily Thompson: it's kind of a business. Y'all right. It is. It is ladies. This has been a treat Erica, highest of fives to you for giving me the idea for having the two of you on to have this conversation. I mean, this is exactly the conversation that we needed to have this time. I look forward to what sort of shenanigans happens in the future.

[01:01:58] But to wrap up, why don't you both tell everyone where they can find more about what it is that you do Tasha. I'm going to get you to go first.

[01:02:07] Tasha L. Harrison: It's easy. I'm Tasha L Harrison everywhere. Tasha harrison.com is where you can find information about my books and also the word makers community.

[01:02:16] Emily Thompson: Perfect Erica.

[01:02:18] Erica Courdae: Yes. Again, I am Erica Courdae and you can learn more on Erika cordae.com. I highly suggest you coming over to you. Pause on the play.com so you can learn more about the podcast, everything we do over there, and you can learn about and sign up for pause on the play, the community.

[01:02:35] Emily Thompson: Perfect. Final question for you.

[01:02:38] Both Erica has making you feel most boss Tasha. You get to think about this while I asked

[01:02:42] Erica.

[01:02:46] Erica Courdae: Figuring out what traveling again, will look like what's the word? Amen. I was lit. I literally, yesterday almost hopped in Marco polo. Like when can we go to new Orleans? I would just buy a ticket. Now, tomorrow [01:03:00]

[01:03:00] Emily Thompson: I want to go tomorrow.

[01:03:02] Erica Courdae: I was like, I need to go. Cause I have, and I'm not even a person that has a huge, like I need to travel bug and yet I am like, I need to go.

[01:03:13] Do you think like, and I am looking forward to having that connection in person because we've been so disconnected for so long. Now I may go out and do it and be like, I take it back. I'll go back to my solitude. However, let me figure that out. Let me call back out and take

[01:03:32] Tasha L. Harrison: small doses. Right?

[01:03:34] Emily Thompson: Perfect. So, well, you figured that out and yes, new Orleans.

[01:03:38] We'll talk about that later. Tasha, what about you?

[01:03:42] Tasha L. Harrison: What's making me feel most boss. Probably, well, number one is friendship because I feel like this is the most, healthy friendship that I've had with people in a very long time. And I enjoy it greatly. It challenges me and, I just enjoy it.

[01:04:04] Emily Thompson: Well, you're gonna make me cry. I've never cried enough.

[01:04:07] Tasha L. Harrison: I'm not going to cry. Duck, tears, duck tears, sucking back in, but really,

[01:04:14] really,

[01:04:16] Emily Thompson: oh,

[01:04:18] Erica Courdae: very grateful for what we have space and the energy and the shenanigans,

[01:04:24] Emily Thompson: especially the shenanigans. So great. Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you both for coming and having this conversation.

[01:04:32] This was fun.

[01:04:33] Tasha L. Harrison: Thank you for having me.

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