Habits, Routines, and Magic with Kathleen Shannon

[00:00:00] Emily Thompson: Welcome to Being Boss, a podcast for creatives, business owners and entrepreneurs who want to take control of their work and live life on their own terms. I'm your host, Emily Thompson, and in this episode I'm joined by the OG, Being Boss business bestie Kathleen Shannon for a magical October chat about our personal and business Woo practices, including tarot, astrology and journaling.

[00:00:22] You can find all the tools, books, and links we reference on the show notes at www.beingboss.club. And if you like this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show and share us with a friend.

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[00:01:27] Kathleen Shannon is the co-founder and former co-host of this show, The Being Boss podcast joining me for the first 240 ish episodes of this show with several one off episodes since. Kathleen is a partner and creative director of Braid Creative, a branding agency she founded with her sister over 10 years ago.

[00:01:47] Kathleen's newest title is YouTuber. While the platforms have changed, Kathleen has always lived by capturing, shaping, and sharing who she is, whether that's with a blog post, a podcast on social media, or now on youTube.[00:02:00]

[00:02:01] Kathleen Shannon: Literally forgot how to hit. Record.

[00:02:05] Emily Thompson: You're doing fine. You're doing

[00:02:07] Kathleen Shannon: Forgot how to do this.

[00:02:09] Emily Thompson: Don't even remember how to record a podcast. Okay. Explain. It's not a tool you've kept in your tool belt home.

[00:02:15] Kathleen Shannon: Okay. Can we talk about that you had a half baked harvest on your podcast, and how did I not, I felt a little blindsided that I had to find out this news on Instagram.

[00:02:28] Emily Thompson: Oh my God.

[00:02:29] Kathleen Shannon: I felt a little bit like Khloe Kardashian finding out that she had an illegitimate, stepchild on instagram.

[00:02:38] Emily Thompson: Right. Oh man. Sorry. Sorry. I didn't think about it. And it happened really quickly. Like it was, we've tried to get Teagan on the show for a year, like we've been like trying to like find time slots that worked and just like, Things were happening. All the things. So it was,

[00:02:55] Kathleen Shannon: I wanna say she was on the hot shit 200 from like the beginning, I would say.

[00:03:01] Emily Thompson: Maybe so I'm, I'm an awful friend, Kathleen. I'm sorry. That's okay. I'm an awful ex.

[00:03:06] Kathleen Shannon: Congrats on getting that interview. It was fun. It was fine. I haven't listened, I have to admit I haven't listened. But that's fine.

[00:03:15] Emily Thompson: I do recommend. I actually, I think you would find it really interesting. It, I think it will end up being a highlight of my year if you don't know what we're talking about.

[00:03:24] Tieghan Gerard of Half Baked Harvest was on Being Boss a couple of episodes ago. I think, or maybe it's even in the future. Let me, Oh, literally. No, it is two weeks ago. As of publishing of all of these things, had Tieghan on long time in the Making Half Baked Harvest is one of my Kathleen's favorite food blogs. And we talked about content creation.

[00:03:48] I talked to her about how is it that you are creating all of this content? And the way she goes about it is like such an insane dedication to her craft and to showing up consistently and creating really great content. Like she almost made like almost put me and my content creation to shame of like,

[00:04:13] Kathleen Shannon: She's wildly prolific.

[00:04:15] Emily Thompson: Wildly, wildly prolific.

[00:04:18] And so it was really interesting to hear like literally how she's doing it, how she's showing up to create that much content and staying inspired and all the things. It was, it was a good one. I think it will be one of the highlights of my year. Are you getting murdered? Nope. Okay. . It just looked to the side.

[00:04:35] Kathleen Shannon: It did seem that way, didn't it? No. I had this Zoom window pop up. If you leave your Zoom browser open, like I think an ad or something will pop up. It made me feel like I was being murdered. . That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at.

[00:04:48] Emily Thompson: Good. Good.

[00:04:50] All right. Well I'm super excited to chat today, because it's October, which I know I feel like has always been a big month in like you and I doing stuff

[00:05:04] together that feels really great. Back in the day, October was when we always did our boss vacations. Over the years, October became like magic month at Almanac or at Almanac at Being Boss, where we were talking with tarot readers and astrologers and those sorts of things. And really bringing the woo into what we do in a way that a lot of our listeners really resonate with and really sort of sets us apart from, from all the other business podcasts in the world, is we do bring a bit of spirituality practice into the work that we do.

[00:05:36] But because, because it's not a huge part of what we do, we've usually relegated it to the month of October. I also know for you, this is like a really magical time of year. This is when you like, start feeling it.

[00:05:49] Kathleen Shannon: I mean, I get all my practical magic, focus, Halloween, Scorpio, the veil is thinning vibes. I just really feel it.

[00:06:02] But in general, this year I've been feeling all of the kinds of themes that come with the astrological seasons. With like each one, I've been really feeling it this year. So whenever Virgo came around, I got real organized. I rearranged one of my living rooms and redecorated and, different, the different seasons.

[00:06:25] I can really feel them now.

[00:06:27] Emily Thompson: Good. What, why, why do you think you can feel them now and less so before?

[00:06:32] Kathleen Shannon: I think that maybe I did feel them before. I just wasn't tuned in. So I have been , I downloaded the Channey app. Do you get that?

[00:06:40] Emily Thompson: Oh, I do.

[00:06:41] Kathleen Shannon: You, Okay. So I pay for the subscription there and I get an astrological forecast every single, They come out on Sundays, but I listen to them on Mondays.

[00:06:50] So I listen to the astrological forecast on Mondays, and I think that's just tuned me in a little bit more to which season we're actually in and what that means. And then I start to notice myself reflecting those in my own thoughts and behaviors and actions. So maybe it's just an awareness of it.

[00:07:07] Emily Thompson: I also find, I'll be interested to see how this ends up shaping up for you, but I also find that I go through seasons of that, or I'm like literally reading the update every single week and I'm plugging in and then I'll go like six months where I don't, like, I'm just here doing the thing. So I'm wondering, I'll be interested to see if this is something

[00:07:25] you also experience in like a season of feeling like you wanna be that connected in others when you're just like, I just need to live my life .

[00:07:33] Kathleen Shannon: Well, as long as I'm paying for the subscription, like it kinda holds me accountable to checking in every week, but I don't, I'm not able to look at a chart like you are and to be able to see what's going on and dissect it in that way.

[00:07:46] But I do have seasons of coming in and out of the woo and even more recently, I've been really out of it, other than checking in every single week with what's happening astrologically for me and for the world. At the beginning of the year, I did a year ahead spread. I don't even know if I established a word or intention for the year.

[00:08:05] If I did, it's long gone. , forgot it. I forgot it. I haven't, Other than that, I haven't touched my taro deck at all. So I'm not pulling daily or even weekly or monthly. I try and take note of what phase the moon is in, So I try and really take punctuate the full moons and the new moons and set a couple of intentions and maybe journal if I can.

[00:08:30] But I feel like I have a lot of like practical and logistical barriers right now to really fully embracing the woo that I want to embrace. Like what? Well, one, I'm never alone

[00:08:44] Emily Thompson: That one. That one, right? Ditto. Ditto. Same. I was, That's my logistical barrier as well.

[00:08:52] Kathleen Shannon: And it's like, I don't know, maybe I could get real weird and do some spell crafting and whatever

[00:09:01] meditate. With my family watching, but, it's just private. I could also, like, I'm sure my husband also wouldn't be mad if I like rubbed one out in front of him, but I'd rather do it alone. . If you're invited to the party, you're invited to the party. But if you're not, I need some privacy.

[00:09:24] Emily Thompson: Yeah.

[00:09:25] No, I'm feeling that as well. Oh, my side of this is, I will say I'm a little bit out of like the constant astrological check-ins, which like in the past, every single week, I'm reading the week ahead situation and I'm like aligning and feeling it and all the things,

[00:09:40] Kathleen Shannon: and not only for yourself, but for like everyone around you, because you would also call me and be like, Ooh, there's some stuff happening in your child.

[00:09:46] Oh girl.

[00:09:47] Emily Thompson: Right. . Right. I've been a little less tuned in with that over the past. Prob like probably since the beginning of the. I feel like I dive into astrology in particular when it's like legit, like November, December, January is when I'm like, usually in that season. That always feels incredibly magical to me, in terms of like feeling like I need to tune in and sort of see what's gonna happen in the year ahead and all of those things.

[00:10:13] And I have, my little practices that I do around that, that I've done every year for many years. But like, not during that season, little less. So I'm usually only checking in when I'm feeling something. I'm like, Oh my God, what is happening right now in my chart? And I'll go pull it up and see what's happening and be like, Oh, I should have known or, or whatever annoying ass thing that people like me say.

[00:10:35] So I, I continued to do that regularly. I will say that I've been more, I've been more connected to my tarot deck over the past probably three months than I feel like maybe I have my entire life. Like

[00:10:49] Kathleen Shannon: What, Tell me about that. What does that look like?

[00:10:52] Emily Thompson: I mean, just. For a lot of decision making and just like navigating thought processes and those sorts of things.

[00:11:00] If something's happening in my life or if I need to move forward with something, there is a checking in with my intuition that I have made a part of my ongoing like process, like of habitualize in a very real way that has me pulling out my deck, maybe not every single day, but multiple times a week. And I'm not journaling around it necessarily, like used to if I was doing a tarot spread, I had my journal, I was doing the whole thing, whereas now I'll literally just be standing at my kitchen counter and I'll run and get my deck and throw some cards out and noted and move along with my day and in a way that I have never before.

[00:11:36] And it, what it really, really is for me is I am, I am probably more, not concerned, more interested in digging into my intuition on a regular basis on all kinds of things, in a way that I think I used to think was super innate. But as I've gotten a bit older, I realize is not as innate as I felt. So I need the tool and to stop and do it.

[00:12:08] And so I'm doing it.

[00:12:09] Kathleen Shannon: I'm so fascinated that you say this because whenever I was thinking about this episode and prepping for it, I was thinking, I'm not doing anything woo. Like I'm not, There's no physical manifestation of my richness that's happening. There's no rituals, there's nothing. And because I do feel like the way that I move through the world is just innately intuitive, I do feel very intuitive.

[00:12:34] Often a little psychic in ways. And I feel very strongly in my abilities to manifest things and to make things happen, and to visualize what I want and then see it to fruition. I think I'm missing that ritual component. So I'm curious to hear like, I'm, I'm saying the opposite of what you're saying, , where like I just feel like naturally I'm very intuitive.

[00:12:57] So I'm curious to hear how did you acknowledge or recognize that maybe you weren't tapping into your intuition as much as you thought you were? Because I'm also curious, I'm like, Ooh, maybe I'm a little bit, maybe I have some blind spots and maybe I'm not being as intuitive as I thought I might be. Or in if not intuitive, at least intentional about my intuition.

[00:13:17] Emily Thompson: Well, you heard this story. I'm not gonna share the whole thing cuz it's a whack ass story that is not for the general public. But remember in December I had that crazy crystal reading about where I was introduced to my spirit team.

[00:13:31] Kathleen Shannon: Yes. You remember that? Yes. Yes. That sounds vaguely familiar.

[00:13:34] Emily Thompson: Yes. Yes. It was really wild. I had asked, is

[00:13:38] Kathleen Shannon: this the same one where you discovered there was a portal in your store?

[00:13:42] Emily Thompson: Yes. Sim it is the same woman who told me there was a portal in my store, gave me this crystal reading that wasn't even a crystal reading. Ended up being, she sat down, she was like, This is, we're gonna do something different today.

[00:13:54] And basically crazy big spirit team, like unlike anything she had ever experienced. And over the past several months, I've had a couple of different tarot readings at Almanac. We've been incorporating some tarot readings into what it is that we do. So for the autumn Equinox, we had a tarot reader in the store or actually in the office, in the Almanac office, who was doing some tarot readings.

[00:14:19] And in order to do that, I had to do a couple of tryouts, with some tarot readers. And how about my spirit team came up two more times of like, With different readers. With different readers. What did they say about them? Well, one of them saw them and was like, You got a real big team back there. And she, and, and then repeated to me several of the things that were told me by another person, by that other person back in December.

[00:14:44] And then a second one came in and also noted that like my spirit team was there and needed to get some messages across in a way that like it all using similar language in a way that just had me a little bit freaked out. ,

[00:14:59] Kathleen Shannon: what were the messages, What's your spirit team trying to tell you?

[00:15:02] Emily Thompson: That I need to change my perspective.

[00:15:03] Like literally every single one of them have mentioned changing my perspective and literally turning around or spinning in circles of like, I, like physically need to turn around and, or spin in circles. So else what part of, part of the, the tarot reading is that, okay, crazy story too. Another one of the third reader, I asked specifically cuz I was getting all these like sort of half baked messages of like, they're here or whatever.

[00:15:38] And I was like, What the hell do you want? ? Like, why are you here? What do I need to do? So I asked this third one, I was like, okay, let's actually like purposefully try to talk to my spirit team and see what happens. And she laid out the cards and sat there for a minute. They were all in reverse except for one, the two of sorts.

[00:16:01] And she says, This has never happened before, but I'm drawing a blank that like, in my effort to actually communicate, they were like, absolutely not. Or at least not through her, at least not through her, at least not that day or whatever it may be. So I have been using tarot a lot to both get in touch with my intuition, but also to try to divine or whatever, what it is the team, what my spirit team is, however they're trying to guide.

[00:16:31] Kathleen Shannon: Can I say one thing that's really cool? I like that your tarot reader said, I'm drawing a blank. And I think that this just points toward expertise and that you don't always have to have all the answers. And in some ways that would give me now more confidence in that reader.

[00:16:45] Emily Thompson: And she was like, Can we try again?

[00:16:48] And I was like, Absolutely. I understand. That was probably a big and hard thing that I gave you. And she started shuffling it. She's like, I can't even use this deck, . And went and pulled out a second deck and gave me another, like, really great reading. That was a little more just sort of general.

[00:17:02] Kathleen Shannon: Do you feel like you're tuning into your spirit team through your tarot deck now?

[00:17:07] Like, or do you, are you kind of calling on them or what's, what's happening there?

[00:17:11] Emily Thompson: I actually feel maybe since like some of those readings feel a little more disconnected than I've ever felt, which has been kind of wild to feel. So part of it too is just like a practice to like, I don't know, reengage with my own intuition as well as see if I can pull anything through.

[00:17:32] Or maybe it's not time, or maybe this is all just a bunch of hocus focus or whatever. But I have felt a push to be more intentional with literally taking the time, taking the steps, like get out my deck, pull the cards, commune as needed. Because something's going on back there, literally like behind me.

[00:17:58] apparently a lot of you turn around a lot. I need to turn around. Isn't that crazy?

[00:18:06] Kathleen Shannon: That's wild.

[00:18:07] Emily Thompson: Right. So lots of tarot readings is what's happening over here.

[00:18:10] Kathleen Shannon: And then I will say you still do using references whenever you do tarot readings, or do you just know the cards well enough now that you can just read them without.

[00:18:20] Emily Thompson: It's both. I always, whenever I'm pulling cards, I always like gut check, like I'm always reading my own cards first, but I probably half the time still look at references to just sort of gain that extra layer of perspective as too, because I do think that there is something, at least the way I read, I do think, I mean, obviously I'm taking my own bias into how it is that I'm reading them, but if I were to look at what the cards mean, alternatively I can change that perspective.

[00:18:49] Like I want both. Apparently. Perspective is the name of the game here.

[00:18:53] Kathleen Shannon: I mean, we've talked about this before with tarot where it's like, sometimes it's like, maybe yes, maybe no. I feel like every card has this duality to it where you can kind of make it mean whatever you want it to mean, and sometimes it leaves you even more confused than

[00:19:08] Emily Thompson: Yeah.

[00:19:09] Before. Yep. For sure. So tarot and then I, I've been doing a good bit of, ritual work and, things around the new Almanac store, and I haven't really told anyone this yet. And I don't even think I've talked to you about this very much yet. This summer, summer, all about it, Right? This summer we've had, we've learned that thieves are rampant, rampant.

[00:19:42] Those eyeballs though. Yeah.

[00:19:44] Kathleen Shannon: Have you been th readed thf? Have you been theft? Have you

[00:19:48] Emily Thompson: THD thief ? Yes, for sure. Quite a bit. No.

[00:19:53] Kathleen Shannon: I'm so sorry. During work hours or like after hours

[00:19:56] Emily Thompson: or? No, never after hours, thank God. But definitely like in store, everyone's in there, like, just people being shitty humans.

[00:20:07] , we've caught many of them on camera. Y'all. We have cameras and we see you, which is a crazy thing that people do. And I've, I've been weighing a whole lot like how, how much of an asshole do I wanna be about it? Of like, am I gonna blast them all on social media? I'm almost there. Like, I have photos, I have screenshots of all y'all being dick heads , and I'm not trying to like be that person, but I'm about to be that person, which is fine.

[00:20:36] So if y'all see me doing that note that I've literally like reached the end of my rope. We also had an, a scenario recently where a, a local business owner that legitimately runs a witch shop, which is not how I would categorize Almanac necessarily came in and made a whole fool for self

[00:20:57] Kathleen Shannon: because they're jealous or man, things like competition situation.

[00:21:02] Emily Thompson: Yes. And unable to express her emotions maturely, , basically. Oh no. So I found myself like resorting to energetics. Right.

[00:21:15] Kathleen Shannon: Like energetic protection.

[00:21:17] Emily Thompson: In a way that I've, always like, like I have things around my house and I'm doing things , but never have I been as intentional and proactive as I have found myself being called to be in this store over the past, like month or so.

[00:21:34] So like crystal gritting, lots of cleansing, lots of, and the whole, like, everybody's doing it. We're all saging the shit out of that place. Herbs are placed, in strategic locations, like those sorts of things. And then a lot of like mindful practices and like meditating and happening in that space.

[00:21:53] That really has me legitimately practicing my woo stuff in a way that I've never been called to or had to, and there is like this element of like, do you have to, like, do you have to, to show up for it? And apparently this is one of those situations in which I have had to, in order to actually commit to showing up and practicing in this way, I think it just

[00:22:17] Kathleen Shannon: doubles down on your magic.

[00:22:18] I feel like we are magical in our essence, just in the way that we think and move through the world, right? With our intuition and,

[00:22:27] Emily Thompson: Self-awareness, which is something that I'm not, a lot of people are practicing on this level.

[00:22:36] Kathleen Shannon: And so, I, I find that ritual is just really a way to double down.

[00:22:43] Or to be intentional or accountable to your intuition and abilities to energetically protect yourself or create abundance or whatever it is that you're trying to do.

[00:22:57] Emily Thompson: And I think there's also this layer, I mean, if you wanna get real woo with it, and that's literally why we're here is I also think of it as like a way for me to communicate with the universe and or that spirit team or whatever, that like, this is what I desire slash need.

[00:23:16] Kathleen Shannon: I need help. Let me be explicit.

[00:23:18] Emily Thompson: Like for sure. So I'm gonna like put tourmaline in all of these places and you know what to do. Or like what it is that I'm calling in. And I will say, whenever I did this, couple days later, I was working the shop and I literally saw little crowds of people walk in and turn around and walk right back out.

[00:23:39] Kathleen Shannon: Okay. Get outta here.

[00:23:42] Emily Thompson: Like, if you're not gonna bring good vibes, you can get the fuck out . Like, just leave.

[00:23:47] Kathleen Shannon: So can that be like the quote for, , like the, like the show quote? Can that be the Instagram?

[00:23:55] Emily Thompson: It should be, it should be Being Boss team.

[00:23:58] Kathleen Shannon: Note that. Note that and make those graphics

[00:24:02] Emily Thompson: Put my face on that one for sure. Put me in the background of that one. Give me a speech bubble. Because I mean, and I think that's a thing too of like, I think you reach one an age where like you ain't taking shit NoMo and two a like place in your business where you're not going to take shit anymore either.

[00:24:28] So it's like a personal age, but also like a dedication to your business where you will use. I don't wanna say all the guns you have, but like in this situation, sure. You'll pull out all the stops, pull out all of the stops as needed. And so anyway, I'm doing probably more woo things, which is funny. You don't know what my order of the year was this year?

[00:24:50] What magic, Um and not something like, there's been a couple of times, especially over the first half of the year, that I was like, Oh I forgot that that was my intention for the year. But this is what we know about Words of the Year. Right? Of like when you claim it for yourself, it will show up for you whether it's intentional or not, and usually not in the ways that you thought did

[00:25:13] I think that magic would be required of me to protect literally my store and my employees. No , but here I am.

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[00:26:34] Kathleen Shannon: We're talking about this, I'm remembering that we've got a lot of people listening , because you and I will talk about this stuff just the two of us. And not question it. We're not giving it, like, an error of like, is it real, is it not? Like we just believe in it? I'm just gonna say that too.

[00:26:52] And so I don't wanna disclaim any of this show or this conversation with like, it might not be real, but whatever. Because we live it. It to the point where it is real for us. And so I just feel like I need to say that because I don't wanna be self-conscious. I don't wanna be self-conscious about what I believe in.

[00:27:12] Emily Thompson: I will also add the asterisk though, of like whether or not it's real. Cause I do believe it's real, but I will also pull out all the stops of like, I will take the action.

[00:27:22] Kathleen Shannon: I think because you believe it's real and you're like, I need to, I need to pull out all the stops because this shit is real and it works.

[00:27:31] For us. And so that where I'll ask risk, it is say if you don't believe in it, that is fine for you. You don't have to believe in it. I'm not asking anyone to believe in anything that they don't believe in, but I certainly do. And of course there's like moments with any sort of. Faith, that word feels so triggering for me.

[00:27:49] But where you kind of are, like whenever it's something that you can't see or touch or whatever. There is that element of is it real? You know? But I think that we can agree that by pulling out the stops, you are doing what you've gotta do.

[00:28:04] Emily Thompson: For sure. And, and doing what I've got to do and what I believe will have results and believe will, because I mean, Kathleen and I have experienced some whack shit.

[00:28:15] Right, we've seen it in a way that just, that has us, like not e just believing, but innately living it. And then sometimes practicing it a little more hardcore than others.

[00:28:28] Kathleen Shannon: That's the word. Practicing it. And I miss that. So even lately I've been thinking, do I need some sort of.

[00:28:36] Remember how I used to always do 30 day challenges? God, yes. It's always, I was always into a challenge. Well, I will say since pandemic times, I haven't been doing many and I think because I've just been, the challenge of just living through a pandemic was enough. I didn't need to throw anything else on top of it.

[00:28:54] But as we're, get coming out on the other side of things and the world is opening up a little bit more and I'm feeling a little bit more secure in my ability to, stay alive through all of it and to even thrive and keep making money and all of the things, I'm starting to feel a little bit like I need some challenges.

[00:29:14] Whether that is, I don't know, or almost remember how we used to have coven meetings. You need a cove. We had a cove. I like you gonna reconvene. A reconvene, but literally with you . Reconvene and just because we used to be able to do this, I mean, you were like kind of my, I'm definitely feel more like a solo practitioner.

[00:29:37] But you were my person that, I could really talk to about these things and on a regular basis, and we just kind of would weave it into our work meetings. We would kind of weave it into, we would have a business meeting and then we would talk about some witchy things. Right? And so I'm almost thinking, is that something that I need again, is to be able to touch base with you monthly to say like, Okay, here's my intention for the month.

[00:30:01] Like even if it's just an intention for month versus a 30 day challenge, or maybe it is doing some tarot spreads and then sharing them with you. I'm not trying to put some pressure on you, but , there's not many other people I could be like, so there's a couple of people that I could be like, Oh, look at this.

[00:30:21] But I am kind of thinking, or maybe it's not necessarily with you, but I am thinking about habit building and what I know about building habits. And usually that is through that daily repetition. And so some things that it might include a 30 day challenge might include is meditation, Or like what are some of like the, all the witchy modalities that we practice, right?

[00:30:44] So it might be a card of the day kind of pool forero, or it might be having a cup of tea and really. Really getting intentional about the herbs that I'm consuming. Or it might be spell crafting with the moon. Like it could just be a new moon, full moon thing. And maybe I just need find the literal space to do that.

[00:31:05] That feels a little bit more private. Maybe it's journaling. Ooh, I have some logistical stuff about journaling too. Can we talk about this?

[00:31:13] Emily Thompson: Yes, go. Of course. Kathleen .

[00:31:16] Kathleen Shannon: I was just, flipping through some old, I was trying to find a blank note notebook, in fact. To take notes for this episode. And I couldn't find any blank notebooks.

[00:31:26] My notebooks were filled, halfway filled. Every single notebook is halfway filled with the most cringy diary entries. I've ever read in my life. And these are literally from like two years ago. I'm like, I need to burn this. I need to throw this in the chi inea. This is so embarrassing. Who do I think I am?

[00:31:46] It's almost like sometimes I feel like I'm becoming an actor who thinks that this is what journaling is supposed to be like. Oh my gosh. Like I think I used the word lineage in one of my entries. Oh, it's just like, what?[00:32:00]

[00:32:05] I'm not making fun of you. If you use the word lineage, it's just not a word that I use. You know? So like there's an era of inauthenticity in the place. In your own journal. In my own journal. . Like how Leo Rising of Me. Right.

[00:32:21] Emily Thompson: So bad, so bad.

[00:32:24] Kathleen Shannon: I'm like, it's kind of like I'm putting on, it's kind of how I get real witchy in October.

[00:32:30] It's like I'm watching the craft and putting on my dark academia outfit and black lipstick. And playing the part. And playing the part. Okay. So one is all my journals are halfway filled because I think, I don't know how to journal. Okay. So then I was thinking, well, maybe what I need is, so I've been using this, and this also applies to even all, all the things, not just necessarily woo things.

[00:32:59] I like writing in a physical journal, but, so then I've been using this, App called Good Notes. Yep. And I downloaded this journal called, I think it's called like a hobo nichi journal. It's, anyway, it's kind of a really cool, I love the way that I can just pop around from day to day and if it's halfway filled, it doesn't matter because it's digital.

[00:33:24] But there is also something about writing on my iPad that's not as easy as writing on paper. So like I can still physically write, but it just doesn't feel, it's not the same. I think we can all agree, writing on an iPad is not the same as writing on paper and even typing. Typing is not the same as writing on paper.

[00:33:39] So I feel like I need a physical notebook anyway. But what's cool about this good notes is that I can also like clip out images and paste them in there and kind of like use like procreate in combination with good notes and create some collages. So almost you've been doing some digital art journaling.

[00:33:59] So there are things that I really like about it. I don't know, maybe like I need a physical journal and then I can take a picture of that and then plug it into my good notes. And then is that too much? And then what is the point? Like am I trying to keep these journals to look back on and reflect? Am I using them to process in the moment?

[00:34:16] Like what is my goal? Like what is my intention or my objective for journaling? Is it really to just like get stuff outta my head, or is it to mark a period of time? I don't know.

[00:34:30] Emily Thompson: I love that you're having a journal crisis. Right now.

[00:34:32] Kathleen Shannon: I'm having a little bit of a journal crisis because I feel like it's something that would be really good.

[00:34:36] For me to do it would be beneficial.

[00:34:40] Emily Thompson: Well, I mean, I, I think you need to figure out that goal. Like, is this a processing thing? Well, what's goal project do you Mine is processing a hundred percent. It ain't pretty, My handwriting is not great, though. Sometimes I'm like, Wow, my handwriting, like I must be in an okay mood , my handwriting is holding it together today or whatever.

[00:34:57] Though I usually actually find that my handwriting is better in the exact opposite situations. It's like when I am like super processing something or like in a mood, my handwriting is better than not. Isn't that okay?

[00:35:11] Kathleen Shannon: Are you journaling every day?

[00:35:13] Emily Thompson: No, not every day. I would say sometimes I will, sometimes I will go through like a, what is it?

[00:35:20] Artist pages, writer. What is that like? What is that, like three page a day? Morning pages? Morning pages, That thing. Sometimes I will have like a little season of that, especially if I'm like trying to get through something or like if I'm trying to create something.

[00:35:32] Kathleen Shannon: Like what? Like what are you writing in those three pages?

[00:35:34] Emily Thompson: Those are just like stream of consciousness. Like whatever comes up Dumb shit. Not usually anything like worth noting. I just like am doing my three pages to like get past whatever is like top of mind that day. But, I've mentioned this before. Who was it? Katie Dell about back in the day. I don't know if she coined the phrase, but introduces to this idea of SOS journaling of like, I'm an SOS journaler.

[00:36:00] Like really, really, like I'm in my journal when shit's hitting the fan and I need to process something. So sometimes it'll be a little more often if I'm processing through a thing. Maybe it'll be, every couple of days and then I'll go missing for like three months and there'll be three months where there's no journal injuries at all.

[00:36:17] Kathleen Shannon: And then are you coming back to the same journal? Are you like, Ugh, I need a new journal? Same journal. Okay. Same journal. And then you're filling that journal up to the end.

[00:36:26] Emily Thompson: I usually make it like 80% and then I'm ready for a new notebook, . Okay.

[00:36:30] Kathleen Shannon: And then are you throwing that journal away or are you cataloging it somewhere.

[00:36:34] Emily Thompson: Them, which I should just like, I think I should just throw them away the same. I think if I were to look back, like, just because it's all SOS journaling, I mean, you're talking about like some emotional cringy shit too. Like I don't,

[00:36:45] Kathleen Shannon: like how many times have you used the word lineage?

[00:36:47] Emily Thompson: Oh, never. Probably . . But like how many times?

[00:36:52] Kathleen Shannon: What embarrassing words are you using you to tell me?

[00:36:55] Emily Thompson: Tired. Like always tired. Talking about how like, what the fuck, Emily, You're not that tired. Are you tired literally every day? No, but like, usually when I'm in those moments, it's usually talking about how tired I am and not just like generally tired, but like I'm tired of someone doing this thing.

[00:37:11] Or like. just fed up. So tired is my annoying word. But anyway, I'm an SOS journaler. I do journal occasionally, not always, sometimes, often, sometimes never, like, there's no like rhyme or reason to it. I just journal two process when processing is needed.

[00:37:38] Kathleen Shannon: Okay. I think what I need to do is buy a Newman Notebook.

[00:37:41] Okay. What notebooks are you buying?

[00:37:42] Emily Thompson: Oh, actually, Magic of I, and like I is the letter I, so magic of the letter i, they are most known for really great astrological planners. I find those to be a little overwhelming personally. And I, I love astrology. I can read things, I can read charts and understand all the things, and I still find them a little overwhelming.

[00:38:05] But they have journals like notebooks that are beautiful, really, really beautiful. I bought the pack. They have like a all color pack of them last year, and I'll probably end up, literally, I'll use those like six notebook notebooks for the next probably 12 years or something. Right. But they're all different colors, so it'll be like a new notebook every time I use a new one.

[00:38:30] Kathleen Shannon: Okay. Did you pay $200 for a pack of journals? Does that sound familiar? I don't think so, but I think you did. Did I? I'm just throwing that off there.

[00:38:45] Emily Thompson: That's emily being a really good Christmas gift giver to herself.

[00:38:49] Kathleen Shannon: Yes. Which, no, and I love it. I love it. I just also think, do I just need like a real cheap, do I need an expensive journal?

[00:38:57] Like I used Moskin for a really long time. Yep. Or am I just buying like a cheap ruled, $1 notebook at the grocery store? Like, what, what do I need? I'm trying out. Anyway, like it's like kind, you think like, okay, if I have a really pretty journal, but then it's a lot of pressure and I feel like we've had these conversations before about journals.

[00:39:20] I just, I, Okay, so I think what I need to do is I think I need to bring back my taro practice and use my TA cards as journaling prompts. Love that. That's what I'm gonna do. Okay. That's gonna be my 30 day challenge.

[00:39:36] Emily Thompson: Okay. 30. Love that. Love that. A car a day for 30 days. I think That's great.

[00:39:41] Kathleen Shannon: I think that that's what I wanna do.

[00:39:43] And then journaling on that every day, every morning.

[00:39:47] Emily Thompson: I also do wanna go back to if you want to reconvene. I do. The Emily and Kathleen Covin. . I do. With like full or New Moon chats. I have 100% in, because in the Being Boss Clubhouse, I lead a new moon circle every new Moon , I guess.

[00:40:09] Right? But because I'm facilitating a conversation with bosses about intention setting, I'm not doing it myself. Right. It's not your own thing. And no, it, like, it's, I'm facilitating, I'm holding space. They're doing it, they're talking through it, they're sharing what happened last month. I love all the things.

[00:40:23] But I always, I always go into that, we're like, What was your intention loss? I can never remember what mine was, which is not a good sign. Right. And so I'm facilitating, but not like participating because I'm holding that space, not engaging as a participant.

[00:40:37] Kathleen Shannon: As like kind of the leader of the pack, you probably can't get as vulnerable or weird as you could with just me.

[00:40:45] Emily Thompson: It’s the same group of, No, probably not as I can with you. But I will say it's a nice little group of people. We've been doing it together for a long time and like we'll all say some weird shit. So you get a little weird. Probably not as weird as I would get with you . Right. Actually, definitely not as weird as I would get with you.

[00:41:01] So if you are interested in that, I would love, I would love to. Let's do it.

[00:41:06] Kathleen Shannon: Let's do it on New Moon and Full Moon, and then I'm going to buy one of these journals. For specifically for moon journaling like moon intention setting. Because I feel like you're always really good at that at because you keep your journals.

[00:41:20] Looking back to the where it related to the last six months. Yes. And I think that that's just enough of a good intentional check in. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get my cheap journal for like my daily ta. Bullshit journaling, whatever. Like it doesn't matter cuz it's my processing journal.

[00:41:39] And then I think I might get one of these nicer journals for more intention setting and really looking at like where I'm at. It would be cool to almost develop , look at me like work sheeting this up, as we speak, but to almost framework it. Like how are we touching on the same kinds of pillars Like so that you could really check in and see like, okay, here's where I'm at, here's what's going on.

[00:42:02] And then be able to reference it six months later, a year later, two years later. Because the way that astrology works is that sometimes things cycle in like. One year cycles, two year cycles, seven year cycles, 28 year cycles, right? So it'd be cool to kind of have, have a more dedicated check in place for like just the moon stuff.

[00:42:25] Emily Thompson: Yep. I think so. I will say I do, you just mentioned like checking back with things in six months. I used to be really great at doing new and full moon TE spreads and like I keep that in the same journal that I do my SOS journaling. Like it's all in there in context with each other. I haven't done that very much lately, but that is something that I have always enjoyed of like, because manifestations.

[00:42:50] New moon manifestations, they can happen within a single cycle, like from new to full, but they often will happen on the six month cycle of when like New Moon in Aries, it will manifest in Full Moon in Aries like six months later or whatever it may be. And I used to be really great about, being able to look back and seeing what I was talking about six months ago and seeing how it manifested the, at the, the full moon of the same sign.

[00:43:14] And I don't have that data literally anymore. Right. And it would be really fun to, to do that. So maybe even, you can framework it if you want to, but we could also just do tarot Spreads and then check back as needed.

[00:43:28] Kathleen Shannon: I feel like I don't trust tarot spreads enough, like they're not really from within me.

[00:43:34] That like, I feel like for New Moon and Full Moon, I really want it to be from within me and like my intentions and maybe some facilitating sumero, like maybe there is some ta, but like I want that to be the root of it. Probably. But it be like a feel tool.

[00:43:48] Emily Thompson: I thinking back to of like you and tarot, you do have this very like, love hate relationship with your tarot.

[00:43:55] Of like, , why you telling me one deck? Now?

[00:43:57] Kathleen Shannon: I do have one deck that's so literal. I think it knew that I needed, I think that this deck knew that I needed a literal deck, and so it will just tell me exactly what I need to hear. So like on Valentine's Day, I will literally pull the Lovers card, or one time I was asking my Tero deck what I needed to learn from this really bad bout of insomnia that I had.

[00:44:17] And so I was like, What is this insomnia? And I pulled the nine of swords, or whichever one is like the guy laying down with all the inso insomnia. I pulled the insomnia card , so it's so literal in that way. And also the same deck. For example, what deck it? It's the My writer Wait, Smith.

[00:44:39] Just like a real traditional deck. And so, on my year ahead spread, it's been pretty. Like pretty literal has come out that way, which is nice. So I really do like that. I do kind of trust that deck. To just kind of gimme what I need to hear back to the foundations.

[00:44:58] Emily Thompson: Okay. Love that. I will also throw in here that one of my very favorite practices, and you talked about this earlier, is that you're ahead spread.

[00:45:06] Have you been checking in with yours.

[00:45:08] Kathleen Shannon: Yes. And okay, so one really cool thing, let me open it up here real quick. So one cool thing is that's happened recently is I booked a big ass trip to Japan. You did. I am going to Japan. I won't get specific about dates, but it is a bucket list trip. I will be seeing the cherry blossoms, so that gives you an idea of whenever I'm going.

[00:45:31] I booked that trip. I literally bought my plane tickets while Mercury was in retrograde because Japan, I was like, I need to buy these plane tickets, but I'm a little bit nervous. And Japan opened up to individual travelers. Like the planning, this whole trip has been a little bit of a gamble because Japan was still closed to individual travelers and it opened up, and then I bought the tickets that day.

[00:45:52] All of this was happening in the month of September, and my card for that month was the world. So like that's just an example. My card of the year was Page of Pinnacles, which now I can't even remember what that means. But Pinnacles represents worldly. Or the like, resources. So I think of it as money or themes.

[00:46:19] I don't know, like I feel pretty just chugging along there.

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[00:47:14] Kathleen Shannon: What about you? How's your, year ahead? I don't know.

[00:47:16] Emily Thompson: I need to grab a notebook. One second. .

[00:47:19] Kathleen Shannon: Also, my, you know how they always like to say that the death card doesn't actually mean death? Death definitely meant death in for my, like, I pulled it in April. No, it's, it's okay. I mean, my, my cat that I love so much, he passed away and it was like in conjunction with the death card, which was hard.

[00:47:42] But. I know I had a pretty good year ahead. I also didn't track reversals. I just kinda made it all.

[00:47:49] Emily Thompson: Oh, I never, Can we just talk? I never read reversals ever either. I'm one of those.

[00:47:53] Kathleen Shannon: Me either. I'm one of those too.

[00:47:55] Emily Thompson: Okay. I'm looking back through, So I think I've mentioned this before, but I will re mentioning it every time I do a year ahead spread.

[00:48:01] I put it in my, in my planner for the year. So it's like part of my, like getting my planner ready for the year is I'll put it in my planner. So I definitely like have the things, but I have a look back at it. Okay. I loved this . Sorry, looking back, a couple of really literal ones here, in January, so I mentioned that my year,

[00:48:20] my word of the year was magic. It was something that I landed on. I knew I was going to do it pretty, like at the end of last year, I really wanted to, to get back into some of my woo practices and just sort of have, I remember saying like, I want to have like a weird year . God bless me, , Right. When I say things like that.

[00:48:42] So whenever I did my year ahead spread, January was the magician, . . Okay. Noted. Let's see. I'm looking at a couple other things. February, it was the 10 of Pentacles. That one for me was the month that we found out we were going to be able to upgrade our store. Three sizes. Like we had like sort of reached this fulfillment where like, we were capable of doing it.

[00:49:06] And I don't just, that felt like a very, like, we're here in this 10 of Pentacles. In such a way that we can manifest like what happens after the Tin of Pinnacle, which is going back to like the Ace.

[00:49:19] Kathleen Shannon: I love that you can remember what was going on in February. I'm looking at my February was the Empress, which is a lovely card.

[00:49:26] I don't remember February. and no idea,

[00:49:28] Emily Thompson: Well I only remember this has a whole lot of like, really big like milestone markers. I think without those, like, I don't know otherwise of what was happening at all. But I do remember February was the month that we found out or that we snagged that the, the new space, going through here.

[00:49:46] Like some of you, some of these other ones, I don't remember what was happening at all. How about, July it was eight of cups, which is a card of escapism and disappointment and withdrawal. And I sort of hit a little bout of depression in July.

[00:50:03] Kathleen Shannon: And your whole family got covid.

[00:50:05] Emily Thompson: Oh, that was in June. In June.

[00:50:07] Oh, what was June then? Cause I forgot about that. Oh, that's funny. Seven of cups a card of like fantasy and illusion and wishful thinking. I was literally just stuck at my house wishing I could go outside because I love summer and my entire family had covid all month.

[00:50:21] Kathleen Shannon: I had Covid in June and my card of that month was the hermit.

[00:50:25] Emily Thompson: Oh, there you go. Right?

[00:50:26] Kathleen Shannon: There you go. But then my July was asa cups and it was hot girl. Summer from there, good job. My cup overflow it.

[00:50:35] Emily Thompson: So, August was ace cups for me and that's when I feel like I was really able, so like, spending June in the house, July, like in sort of a darker place than I, like August was kind of my hot girl summer.

[00:50:48] And did a whole bunch of really set fun things. Like that was my, that was my ace of Cups. September was Daughter of Pentacles.Again, if you think about this like, I don't know. This idea of like manifesting what you want in like a really physical way, but also this like worldliness. That's when I like kind of got back to traveling.

[00:51:13] I did a lot of traveling in September, which was really fun for me. This month is Age of Swords. I think I'm feeling it already. A

[00:51:22] Kathleen Shannon: little bit minus King of Swords.

[00:51:25] Emily Thompson: Here's like where Kathleen and I are magic. Everyone is like, all of our shit is always the same. It's always like thing

[00:51:32] Kathleen Shannon: whenever we get tarot readings together.

[00:51:34] Oh, funny side tangent. Are you watching British Bake Off? No.

[00:51:39] Emily Thompson: What? I know, I I will, I'll catch it all up whenever it's done, but I,

[00:51:44] Kathleen Shannon: but I'm not, you, you don't, you wanna wait until it's done so you can just binge it? Well, okay. There's a woman on there that looks like JT our tarot reader in New Orleans.

[00:51:52] No way. What was my point of that? Oh, sometimes whenever we would get [00:52:00] tarot readings together in New Orleans, JT would end up kind of giving us almost a joint reading or I feel like sometimes our energy would, I don't know, we just have that kinda energy could,

[00:52:11] Emily Thompson: could not be separated. I think is how I'd like to put that.

[00:52:16] Kathleen Shannon: It's hard to figure out who's who. Yep. Which is cool because we're, I feel like we're able to like, have a kind of a deeper understanding of each other and what we're, I always feel like I never have to overexplain things to you. On like kind of a spiritual level. Yep. Anyway, so we do have that a lot and I feel like that's why I wanna go back to sharing my intention, like especially with New Moon, cause I wanted to be more often than just once a year, But going back to these like monthly intentions on the new moons and then checking in on the full moons because I just wanna get more intentional about,

[00:52:52] everything, I guess. So that to just facilitate creativity or travel or all the things that we care about that we now probably have a little bit more bandwidth for.

[00:53:03] Emily Thompson: That and like, and I even wanna go back to that word that I used a minute ago. Like just weirdness.

[00:53:07] Kathleen Shannon: Like, just magic. I wanna do the magic again.

[00:53:11] when things to be weird, you know? I mean, we both love some synchronicities. We love it. And I find that I'm really tuned in whenever things start becoming really synchronistic, whenever I, I'm having lots of moments of seeing the same thing over again or. Just these little nods.

[00:53:32] Emily Thompson: Oh my God. That actually reminds me, Hold on.

[00:53:34] I saw a, It's not like, is it like University of Phoenix? Is that what it's called? What's that? Like that like, Like

[00:53:41] Kathleen Shannon: that online. That online commercial.

[00:53:44] Emily Thompson: It might not be that one. But it might be, it's all commercial recently on like, Netflix. I don't even know, actually, I think it was on YouTube. I was like, What?

[00:53:53] Okay,

[00:53:54] Kathleen Shannon: but hold on. This year is buy YouTube.

[00:53:56] Emily Thompson: Oh, I know . But the, the whole commercial [00:54:00] is magic. It's about, someone says something to this guy, he's like, I'm thinking about going back to school. It's gonna be like $11,000. And the commercial is following him through multiple clips of people saying the word 11 to him.

[00:54:12] Like, the cost of this is 11, 11 or out, it's gonna, you, you arrive at 11:00 PM or whatever it may be. And it's magic. It's literally a commercial about synchronicity and him being led to making the decision to go back to school because of synchronistic appearances of the number 11. \

[00:54:32] Kathleen Shannon: Oh, that's fun.

[00:54:33] Emily Thompson: Isn't that funny? I saw that and I was like, Y'all .

[00:54:38] Kathleen Shannon: Like we need to talk to the creative director and see that together. That commercial.

[00:54:44] Emily Thompson: For sure. Either which or appropriation .

[00:54:48] Kathleen Shannon: Right, Exactly.

[00:54:50] Emily Thompson: One way or the other. So anyway, I don't know. I think, this is, this has been a year of like, which actually you brought this up earlier too, of, not being alone, of like, having to be more intentional than maybe ever before to, engage in these practices because same, we've talked about this separately.

[00:55:13] Or like off air of like post pandemic or like pandemic life and then quote unquote post pandemic life still has us just with our families. 24 7 in a way that does not make room for private practices. So I found myself either one tarot cards at the kitchen counter, like I can't go have a quiet moment in my room in the same way with like candles and like crystals and all the things because somebody's gonna come knocking on the door and not like I have boundaries.

[00:55:47] I'm capable of creating boundaries, but it's not the same when I hear them.

[00:55:50] Kathleen Shannon: Like energetic, like you feel them energetically.

[00:55:53] Emily Thompson: Indeed. Or like hear their footsteps coming in and are they coming and then no, they're just walking by.

[00:55:57] Kathleen Shannon: Are they gonna see me in my craft outfit? Right. Getting real weird summoning my spiritual team.

[00:56:08] Emily Thompson: Right? It's not quite the same. So I feel like there has been a need to be more, more intentional, both in like, which, like maybe less intention of like tarot cards at the kitchen counter. And also just like making space, like literally going to the store in some cases just or to the office and having quiet moments to do things or have my thoughts.

[00:56:32] But I love the idea of, of us creating that space together. I know on the Zooms.

[00:56:40] Kathleen Shannon: Yes. . So I also wanna plug, I recently got a book by Veronica Barlow called Bohemian Magic. I think I told you to get it did, no. Or you told me to get it. My sister-in-law. My sister in-law told me to get it, and then I told you to get it.

[00:56:55] And you were like, funny enough, they just reached out maybe to be on the show.

[00:56:58] Emily Thompson: Oh, no. He, her, her partner, husband, or partner, joined the community. The Being boss community's literally like days beforehand. And we had like, talked a little or whatever. Anyway.

[00:57:11] Kathleen Shannon: Well, they're cool. They, I mean, and this book is so cool and it's so well done that it might almost be off putting in a way, like you feel like it's almost commercial because it's so well done, but I really don't think it is, it feels really authentic to her.

[00:57:25] But she creates altars that are rooted in like rock and roll, for example, and she's calling up the spirits of like, You know Stevie Nicks, I know Stevie Nicks is alive, but like calling up like these kind of spiritual guides or John Lenon or whoever. And I think that's really cool. And so I do wanna do maybe a little bit of that.

[00:57:46] I don't know. That's where it gets real embarrassing for me. Or also I'm just lazy. I'm just a lazy tourist where , it just takes a lot of energy to, and this actually relates to, everything in life. Like planning this trip to Japan. It takes a lot of energy and work to plan a trip that big. It takes a lot of energy to bake muffins with my kid, but then it's so rewarding whenever I do it takes energy to put together a alt alter.

[00:58:16] Summoning the spirits of my rock and roll lineage, have no rock and roll lineage.

[00:58:22] Emily Thompson: Yep. Like salty Oklahoma blood. Right.

[00:58:31] Kathleen Shannon: I love it. What? Irish and English in there somewhere anyway. Okay. So just saying that it takes effort to do these things and what I'm trying to say in, in summary of this conversation is I'm ready to put in, put forth the effort to have a practice.

[00:58:46] I think it's worth it.

[00:58:48] Emily Thompson: I think so too. Whenever I am doing this, I definitely feel more engaged in my life. Which is ideal.

[00:58:57] Kathleen Shannon: It spills up over like that kind of intention and awareness and practice and tuning in. It helps you find the energy or like cultivate the energy to then take steps in other areas of your life, whether that's in your business or traveling or being present for your kid or whatever that looks like.

[00:59:13] Emily Thompson: For sure. For sure. Okay, perfect. Well we're gonna wrap this up and then we're gonna schedule either the next full moon or new moon chat. I'm so excited. Kathleen, are you ready to literally gab for like four hours? Because I feel like that might end up being what happens. Which is fine. I cannot wait. Same.

[00:59:32] Anything you wanna plug or where could people find you as if they don't know?

[00:59:36] Kathleen Shannon: So, one thing time, I'm working on, speaking of cringe, I brought back the braid method eCourse, but as, as I think I mentioned this last time I was on right as I was going through the eCourse and updating it to be relevant for now, I thought I can't put this out the way that it is.

[00:59:52] So I kind of completely scrap the eCourse part of it. And I'm now just selling the workbook, which is the branding exercises like all of the worksheets. And you all know if you've been listening for a while, that I love a worksheet. So it's a handful of exercises busted out into five sections. It's not quite live yet, but I think that the URL will be braidcreative.com/workbook.

[01:00:17] Or you can sign up for my newsletter and be made aware once it is live, or you can follow me on at Anne Kathleen on Instagram and I will be plugging it there. So please feel free to check it out. There's actually, speaking of Woo, there is a lot of woo infused into the worksheets that I create, whether it was for Being Boss back in the day or for Braid Creative.

[01:00:40] Now we're really tapping into the root of who you are and what it is that you want to create, and so, Getting pen to paper, as we've discussed today, is an important part of that practice. So that workbook, I'm really proud of it now. I'm really excited to share it. And it maybe it will be live by the time [01:01:00] that this episode goes live, if not shortly thereafter.

[01:01:02] We'll just see. We'll see. Corey, you let me know. Holler at me.

[01:01:07] Emily Thompson: Perfect. Perfect. Well, I super appreciate you coming and having this chat with me. This is a fun one. It was nice to reconnect on the Woo stuff. Otherwise, bring this to the audience because it is October. It is month of Woo. And know that, know that it is just a part of how it is that we at Being Boss at least go about what it is that we do.

[01:01:31] It makes business more fun.

[01:01:32] Kathleen Shannon: Emily, what's making you feel boss?

[01:01:34] Emily Thompson: Ugh, you got beat me to it. What's making me feel most boss? I am leaving the store next week for the first time. Like me and David both are leaving the store, so neither of us will be here for the first time for a 10 day vacation. Where are you going?

[01:01:53] 10 days. Oh, we're doing a little tour of the Gulf Coast. Pretty excited about it. Yep. And I've been doing a lot of hiring and training and things, and it feels really boss to know that that store is gonna be there making us bank while I'm sitting on the beach sipping mojitos. That for me, this is like, this is what I've worked all year for and I'm feeling very boss about feeling so good about it, going into it.

[01:02:20] How about that?

[01:02:22] Kathleen Shannon: Yes.

[01:02:23] Emily Thompson: What about you?

[01:02:24] Kathleen Shannon: Well, I hired a new employee. We actually fired an employee and hired an employee and that's always gonna make you feel real boss. Maybe that's another discussion for another day. Cuz I have leveled up whenever it comes to being a literal boss of employees. So yeah.

[01:02:39] Maybe that's a conversation for another time. Yep. But then, booking this trip to Japan. Makes me feel real boss. And just fingers crossed, like kind of having some optimism around it too, because for a while, making any plans, I was real pessimistic about it. Because everything was always getting canceled, so kind of cultivating some optimism around that.

[01:03:01] But for the sake of this episode and the woo, what makes me feel most boss is those synchronistic moments. And so I'm committed to taking note of them. I'm gonna buy a journal and literally write it down and arrive synchronicities. Perfect.

[01:03:19] Emily Thompson: Well, I, I hope you have many, many in the days and weeks to come.

[01:03:24] I hope it's creepy. Creepy and good is what I want for you. Oh, like, weird creepy. Not like, ew creepy.

[01:03:30] Kathleen Shannon: Do you get Christine McConnell's, Patreon?

[01:03:33] Emily Thompson: Oh, I st I haven't checked. Yes, I still pay for it and I still get them, but I haven't watched binge. Okay.

[01:03:39] Kathleen Shannon: That's a good, good, like Halloween, October activity.

[01:03:42] Emily Thompson: Yep. Indeed. Will do.

[01:03:46] Kathleen Shannon: Right. Sidebar. Just, just me need to tell you something.

[01:03:51] Emily Thompson: Perfect. Well, thanks Kathleen. I'm so glad to have you here.

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